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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:24 pm 
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Can't think of anything clever to write about Loudon on account of being another particularly uninteresting track. So yeah, woooooo Loudon.

At least the Trucks in Iowa won't have to suffer another race ruined by NASCAR legend/god/messiah Kyle Busch.

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What has you against Kyle Busch? :?

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Memy Selfandi wrote:
What has you against Kyle Busch? :?

To be fair, he's made a good effort to control his negative emotions, especially compared to 2009, but he still comes off as a douchebag to me. Maybe I'm still bitter from his past escapades, or maybe I'm just sick and tired of the networks hyping him into some sort of a racing god in the same leagues as Petty, Earnhardt, or Pearson, despite having zero Cup championships to his name. Say what you want about Jimmie Johnson (and believe me, I'm not crazy about him either), but he deserves to be in that club way more than Kyle.

But hey, I'll get over it. Hated Jeff Gordon for the longest time, but now I cheer for him whenever I can.


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Luckily, NASCAR's not that stupid to slap on the plates at Loudon again.

And I'm actually looking forward to this.

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I hate that they always talk about the amount of total NASCAR wins Kyle has when comparing him to the greats... pretty sure they didn't run the amount of Busch races Kyle does and pretty sure, last time I checked, the truck series was not around.... but hey, let's suck some more Kyle dick.

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Yea, Kyle Petty ranted about it in during practice at Kentucky, which was hilarious, as it was just after AA had done some more KB18 rod polishing. To me, Kyle has 22 wins, period. Stop rounding up the lower series wins as if they were the same as Cup because those series are at best, a tenth as competitive as Cup.


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That's like including AAA rehab starts/wins in a pitchers ML win total. Fuck that.

It also shows you how impressive Pearson actually was. 105 wins in just 574 starts.

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Yea, Pearson was the greatest ever on pure talent for sure, even Petty agreed to that, I think. While I love a hard-charger normally, there's something I respect more about the way he used to win races.. toying with the field for most of the race and then picking a time to simply drive out front and win. It shows how good you are when you are that confident in your ability to where you can turn it on and beat everyone whenever you choose to.


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Pearson was something else. I wonder how he would have done had he run full-time in the 70s.

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Probably more wins and championships than Petty.


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At least. I'm almost inclined to wonder just how much more.

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It always irks me how easily people forget just how insanely talented David Pearson was. His name doesn't come up nearly often enough whenever you hear names like Petty and Earnhardt brought up every five seconds, when he was just as good as them, if not better.


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He never ran a complete season, correct?

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He only ran a full schedule three or four times, and won the title three times.

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Fenway Park and NESN on Trevors and Rickys car. Plz let them be good.


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The 60's and 70's would have looked hugely different if certain factors had been at play. For example, what would have happened if there hadn't been factory sponsorship? What would have happened if there hadn't been boycots? What would have happened if drivers had run the whole season? For example, let's look at 1961. This is only speculation, and based purely on facts and what happened that year.

1961: Pearson won the World 600, the Firecracker 250 and the Dixie 400. Rex White had more victories, more top 5's and more top 10's. He also had an higher average finish. White had less DNF's. I wonder if NASCAR stripped points from him, because he really should have won based purely on statistics. Emanuel Zervakis was an independent who ran 9 races less than White. He had 19 top 5's and 28 top 10's. He also won a race. His average finish was 7.8. He DNF'd 4 times. If he was factory sponsored, he could have easily won the title too. Joe Weatherly ran just above half the races of White. His average finish was 7.4. He won 9 races. He DNF'd 5 times. He had 14 top 5's, and 18 top 10's. He could have also won the championship. Fireball Roberts started less than half the races. He had 2 wins. He had 13 top 5's and 14 top 10's. His average finish, however, was 11.0. He failed to finish 9 times. So he probably wouldn't have won. Junior Johnson ran the 6th biggest amount of races that year. He won 7 races. He had 16 top 5's. He had 22 top 10's. He failed to finish 20 times, however. So he still managed to score more top 10's than DNF'S, despite failing to finish 20 times! The list is endless.

Probably 12 drivers could have won the championship in different circumstances that year.

Basically, it's impossible to determine whether or not Pearson would have won more championships then Petty. 5 or 6 drivers could have easily won championships in different circumstances in their major years.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:41 am 
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For more examples, we'll look at the years from 1964 to 1969 - when Petty and Pearson were more or less on equal footing and compare the two.

1964: Petty won against Pearson, mostly because of more top 5 finishes. He had 37 top 5 finishes, Pearson had 29. Both had a lot of retirements, 20 in Petty's case and 22 in Pearson's case. Petty won 9, Pearson won 8. Pearson had 42 top 10 finishes, Petty had 43. Both started 61 races. Petty also completed 1098 laps more then Pearson.
1965: Neither driver ran the full season, mostly because of the Chrysler boycott.
1966: Pearson had more top 5's, more top 10's, more wins, and less DNF's. He also completed over 2000 laps more than Petty.
1967: Petty dominated in every way. Pearson's season was hurt because he missed a good deal of races.
1968: Pearson had the same amount of wins, but he had more top 5's, more top 10's and less DNF's. But Petty was actually at a disadvantage - his Plymouth wasn't anywhere near as good at the big tracks.
1969: Similar thing here. Except Petty's car was as strong that year - if not stronger. This was also the first major year when a good deal of drivers ran the full season.

There were other drivers who did better than both of them in some respects, in especially 1964 and 1966. Ned Jarrett overall ran better than both Petty and Pearson in 1964. He was hurt by his Ford being almost rubbish at the big tracks compared to Plymouth and Dodge. In 1966, Ford boycotted, and James Hylton ran an impressive season, despite being an independent.

It's a little bit like the Chase championships, with Johnson and that. In that, it's basically impossible to tell what could or could not have happened. Main difference being, in the 60's and 70's things worked very differently. With factory sponsorship and that. And people not running the full schedule.

Personally, I'd say Petty and Pearson are hands down the best drivers NASCAR ever saw. Earnhardt wasn't far behind. I think Pearson-Petty-Earnhardt, or maybe even Pearson-Earnhardt-Petty. It could have been Earnhardt-Pearson-Petty. Or Earnhardt-Petty-Pearson. We don't know, really.

In conclusion, I think Pearson would have won more titles than Petty, and races. But he wouldn't have reached the same total of championships that Petty did. He might have won 4 or 5. Petty might have won maybe 3 or 4.


Anyway, sorry for me making an essay about this. You probably noticed I missed the later years, the '70s. My historical knowledge is mostly limited to the pre Winston Cup years. Someone with more knowledge from those days needs to work out which one ran better, if you can. I don't think you can, to be honest. Too many variables for you to do so.


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