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The Harvick incident hasn't really been represented well. It was 2002, so he wasn't a rookie. Also, he didn't just spin Coy Gibbs in the heat of the moment, but went on the radio first to say he was going to do it, ignored NASCAR's warning not to, and then parked his truck and abandoned it in front of the NASCAR trailer when they black flagged him. Very petulant actions taht certainly deserved the punishment he got.

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Keselowski didn't do a thing wrong on Sunday. Yeah, last season was a different story at times, but I still fail to see why Keselowski is being viewed as anything short of completely innocent during the Atlanta race.

Because he has a reputation of being overaggressive?

Although I don't think that THAT will be put into consideration after what we saw on Sunday, unlike some fans.

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Your reputation stays with you, even throughout a race. If you have a reputation of being aggresive and once in a while taking someone out, that will affect how others view you. I think Sunday, his reputation is what made Carl do what he did in that Brads reputation to Carl put Carl over the edge(that and Carl appears to have temper issues).

That's just BS, man. Carl did that simply because he couldn't handle the fact that he couldn't blame anyone else for the restart accident and simply tried to take advantage of the fact that the other driver involved was one he already disliked. Though I say "tried" as if he didn't get away with it, because anyone who thinks that NASCAR has actually done anything meaningful to Carl clearly has no insight on the matter.

I called it. But still, 3 races on probation is disgusting and really does nothing considering the next 3 races are at Bristol, Martinsville and Phoenix, all short tracks. But I'm not looking forward to the rest of the cookie cutter tracks where NASCAR's basically said it's OK to intentionally wreck someone at 190-200mph.

Rusty talking out of his ass on NASCAR Now again. But, Terry Blount pretty muched managed to sum up the feelings of the majority of posters on this board. Shockingly enough.

Wow Rusty, way to look like a duchebag. Plz recede into your cave and keep over-funding your son who will accomplish nothing.

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What did he say?

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Just disgusted by all this. And it will all go on from here status quo, just waiting for someone else to lose their shit and decide to make a completely idiotic homicidal move like Edwards. Moral of the story: If you are a poster boy and have even a little skill with double talk, in this sport you can just about get away with murder.

In a nutshell, that he would've spun Brad out there too.

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*facepalm*

Then again, it's Rusty, so go figure.

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I was in the process of writing something like this in the Carl Edwards thread before it got locked.

I'm not surprised that Edwards was punished for his actions on Sunday but I'm very surprised that his punishment was only a 3 race probation. Mike Helton said that parking him on Sunday sent a message. I don't think it did because Edwards had already accomplished what he set out to do and that was to wreck Keselowski.

If Nascar wasn't going to suspend Edwards for what he did he certainly should have been put on probation for the remainder of the season. Nascar did that with Harvick after he got suspended for spinning Coy Gibbs at Martinsville and that was much less dangerous than what Edwards did.

The best way for Edwards to go about redeeming himself to the fans is to take a page out of Ernie Irvan's book. In the May race at Talladega in 1991 he caused "the big one" which resulted in Kyle Petty getting a broken leg. When Nascar returned to Talladega in July, Irvan got up during the drivers meeting before the race and stood in front of all of the drivers and apologized for what happened in May. Edwards should do that at Bristol. He would show that he's man enough to admit his mistakes. Granted, nobody was injured in the crash but it was too close for comfort for there to be injuries to either Keselowski and/or the fans.

I've seen nothing out of Edwards that says to me he thinks it was a mistake, or that he wouldn't do it again if he was in the same situation again. That's the really worrying thing.

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Ok, you've made it abundantly clear you have nothing to offer in this discussion other than you don't like Brad Keselowski. Point made.

I like Brad. I just don't want him to be killed.

If you are gunna say a driver needs to use the Ernie Irvan apology, to me, it should be Brad. I got nothing against Brad but from the sounds of it, Brad isnt making any friends with any of the other drivers and neither was Ernie at the time. They both have similar styles.

Carl isnt gunna apologize for what he did and Brad doesnt have to either, but if he wants to get respect from the older drivers, he will have to do something and Im sure Carl has lost a little respect from the other drivers. In Carl's case tho, it would probably easier to gain it back.

Why should he apologize for nothing?

He's refering to how it seems that there are a bunch of drivers that brad dont seem to be getting along with.

By the sounds of everything thats going down between everyone and Brad, it wouldnt surprise me if there is alot of stuff thats gone on or certain ways people feel that we dont know about.