Brickyard 400/N'wide & Trucks @ IRP/ARCA @ Berlin

ChrisTRD · PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:04 pm

Wayne wrote:

Joey wrote:

What they could do is have a radar gun and an electronic board at the end of the pit so that you can see just how fast the drivers are going.

"YOU ARE GOING 59 MILES PER HOUR. YOU ARE SPEEDING."

This.

The only problem is during a round of yellow flag pit stops, when they all come out in a pack, no one will know if that posted speed is theirs.

Gael · PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:09 pm

Yeah it wouldn't work for crowded pitstops. I mean yeah, it sucks for Montoya and his team and fans that he got caught speeding.. but for those claiming it was to let a Hendrick car win, cmon. NASCAR would've got way better press with Montoya winning.. they know that.

I think the system they have now is fine. If anything, it's too lenient, I don't think they should give the 5mph buffer.

edit: I mean hell, their tachs basically have speedometers as is.

K_Sherman · PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:11 pm

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Montoya was over 5mph past limit: #42-Juan Pablo Montoya was well on his way to winning the Allstate 400 at the Brickyard. He had the field covered, including winner #48-Jimmie Johnson and runner-up #5-Mark Martin. But Montoya was caught speeding on pit road with 26 laps to go. On his final stop, Montoya came in a little too hot, not once, but twice. NASCAR officials made the call, meaning Montoya would have to go down pit road again for a pass-through penalty. After the race, Sprint Cup director John Darby had the specifics about Montoya's double no-no. Pit road has eight zones where the speed is measured. The speed limit in the pits at Indy is 55 mph. NASCAR gives the drivers a 5 mph cushion. Darby said Montoya was caught over the cushion in Zones 2 and 4. Officially, the speed was recorded at 60.06 mph in Zone 2 and 60.11 mph in Zone 4. "And he was already pushing it," Darby said. "He was over 59 miles per hour in most of the other zones." Montoya's big boo-boo caused him to fall back to 12th. He finished 11th.

ChrisTRD · PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:24 pm

See that sucks because you can't calculate .06mph and .11mph using a tach. I mean if he was doing 61mph I could understand.

scarsurfing · PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:51 pm

Tommy Vercetti wrote:

RtN wrote:

That's going to end in one of 3 ways. Either he makes it to the front, or he takes someone out, or he takes himself out.

Answer: all of the above

Interesting comments He's not a lunatic, I think Montoya was robbed as well but these penalties seem to happen alot in racing lately look at F1 almost every race a team or driver gets dinged.
Montoya "Thank you Nascar for screwing my day!"
I agree and pissed off but its not the end of the world.

SBan83 · PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:48 pm

BlueCelicaTRD wrote:

See that sucks because you can't calculate .06mph and .11mph using a tach. I mean if he was doing 61mph I could understand.

Yea but that's why NASCAR give them a 5 mph leeway to begin with. In Montoya's case, with the huge lead he had, you just wonder why he was even pushing it that hard anyway and not just cruising in the mid-50s instead to be safe in such a great position to win the race.

Tommy Vercetti · PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:31 am

Get rid of the 5 MPH buffer, and have only two radar guns, one at each end of pit road. And it must be in WHOLE numbers, not fractions.

smokyburnout · PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:14 am

i forget... is there an actual reason the cars don't have speedometers?

Shane · PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:30 am

Because they are Stock Cars, duh. What kind of a STOCK Car has such black magic in them!?

Gabriel · PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:14 pm

According to our commentator they don't have speedometers to save weight...

I don't think that's the reason, though.

Chris A · PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:57 pm

Actually it probably does have a lot to do with it.

smokyburnout · PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:19 am

PAXTON wrote:

According to our commentator they don't have speedometers to save weight...

I don't think that's the reason, though.

Chris A wrote:

Actually it probably does have a lot to do with it.

there was a quote a few months back, after the town hall meetings, about how most teams are running around 200 pounds of ballast in the COT... that means the cars themselves are about 200 pounds under NASCAR's minimum weight. i doubt adding a pound or so in the dashboard area would have a noticeable effect on performance.

Coyotekart1 · PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:38 pm

The speedometer is more than just a pound or two. They are all electric and light up now with all fancy stuff so they are probably more than a couple pounds. Also, thats more wiring and electrical that you have to worry about frying or wire getting cut. Plus, you got the sensor on the tranny and maybe even on the wheels to hook up then, which means more possability of sumthing going wrong electrically. Also, its just another way for teams to possibly hook up traction control as well. There would have to be a bunch of more rules if there were speedometers in the cars.

Ted2 · PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:46 pm

What is the speed limit on pit road in NASCAR?

Cheeveer · PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:34 pm

At Indianapolis it was 55mph

Tommy Vercetti · PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:13 am

Cheeveer wrote:

At Indianapolis it was 55mph

Technically 60 MPH if you factor in the 5-MPH buffer.

CART fan · PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:32 am

why can't NASCAR just raise the pit speed by 5 and then penalize anyone going over because having a buffer just becomes the new pit speed anyway

Tommy Vercetti · PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:33 am

CART fan wrote:

why can't NASCAR just raise the pit speed by 5 and then penalize anyone going over because having a buffer just becomes the new pit speed anyway

Exactly what I'm thinking.

Gabriel · PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:41 am

Tommy Vercetti wrote:

CART fan wrote:

why can't NASCAR just raise the pit speed by 5 and then penalize anyone going over because having a buffer just becomes the new pit speed anyway

Exactly what I'm thinking.

Well, they can't measure their speed in a very accurate manner, since they don't have speedometers and they get their RPM reading following the pace car on the warm-up laps, so if they just increase the pit speed by 5 mph, would mean that plenty of drivers would get penalties as they exceed the speed limit. Unless the pace car still circles around at a lower speed, but that wouldn't make much sense.

smokyburnout · PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:10 am

Coyotekart1 wrote:

The speedometer is more than just a pound or two. They are all electric and light up now with all fancy stuff so they are probably more than a couple pounds.

AutoMeter Ultra-Lite In-Dash 200 MPH Electric Speedometer - 2 pounds.

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Also, thats more wiring and electrical that you have to worry about frying or wire getting cut.

if the speedo fails, just do it the old-fashioned way.

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Plus, you got the sensor on the tranny and maybe even on the wheels to hook up then, which means more possability of sumthing going wrong electrically. Also, its just another way for teams to possibly hook up traction control as well.

you only need the one sensor on the transmission output shaft to make the speedo work. you might be able to build a traction control system around one speed sensor (comparing wheel speed [transmission output shaft sensor] to vehicle speed [GPS], if wheel speed is greater assume there is wheelspin occuring). using a mechanical speedometer might make it even more difficult to implement traction control, but an electronic one might be more easily adapted to the different gear ratios run at different tracks.

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There would have to be a bunch of more rules if there were speedometers in the cars.

eh. probably.

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