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Jimmie Johnson wins and becomes the best NASCAR driver ever :flag:


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Jimmie Johnson wins. :flag:

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No doubt the outcome of the championship will result in tears.


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We might as well Shit of Shame the Homestead thread when it all ends. It's not even worth it.


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this will happen next week

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Unless it happens on the pace lap, it's not going to make a difference. :(


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4 time champ Jimmy Johnson: Better than Petty, Earnhardt, Yarborough, Gordon and all those other hacks.

Thanks, Chase for the Chump!


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4 time champ Jimmy Johnson: Better than Petty, Earnhardt, Yarborough, Gordon and all those other hacks.

Thanks, Chase for the Chump!


You can essentially just perfect your performance at the final ten tracks, and you'll have a championship right now, which is exactly what Jimmie Johnson and his team have done. At Richmond, he wasn't running away with the championship. He was nearly 300 points back. Now he is running away with it all of the sudden.

Meanwhile, every one of these drivers he's being compared to had to perform at all tracks from the entire season. I get a bit disgusted seeing him held in the same spotlight as those drivers. Sure he's a great driver, but he has achieved this record under a far different system.

And yes, everyone is on the same strategy, we get it.


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That's the thing, though, even without the Chase format, Johnson would have a substantial points lead right now, possibly bigger than the lead he does under the Chase format.

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That's the thing, though, even without the Chase format, Johnson would have a substantial points lead right now, possibly bigger than the lead he does under the Chase format.


It's possible, although I don't think the difference would be that substantial. Every driver and team wants to win, and saying they don't "try" for the first 26 races of the season seems a bit of an absurd idea to me.

Out of curiosity, I went to his track data page and sorted them by average finish place. The Chase tracks are highlighted.

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I'm trying to narrow it down to years where The Chase has been in effect, but Racing-Reference has the memory of a goldfish. I can't sort the data by finishing order from 2004-2009, because as soon as I sort it, it goes back to the 1949-2009 data. If I go back to narrowing the date, it unsorts. :roll:


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RtN wrote:
That's the thing, though, even without the Chase format, Johnson would have a substantial points lead right now, possibly bigger than the lead he does under the Chase format.

Johnson would only lead Stewart by 23 points under the old system. Gordon would also still be in contention, 66 points back.


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Holy crap. :(

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Just shows what a failure The Chase is. They jumped the gun because Kenseth won the championship but won only one race while being very consistent and decided Newman who won eight was better suited but forgot just how many times Newman crashed out that year.


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Here's what I think is a legitimate criticism of the Chase system: You can put all your effort into the last 10 races each year, start the next season weak as a result of missing out on the late-season and offseason development, and come back strong at the end of the year again. Most championships, F1 in particular, at least have the benefit of seeing a championship team the previous year have to sacrifice some performance the following year because they've focused on winning the championship instead of development and chassis building.

That's why pre-chase it was so hard to win 4 in a row; the championship contenders would usually start on the back foot a bit the following season.


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smokyburnout wrote:
RtN wrote:
That's the thing, though, even without the Chase format, Johnson would have a substantial points lead right now, possibly bigger than the lead he does under the Chase format.

Johnson would only lead Stewart by 23 points under the old system. Gordon would also still be in contention, 66 points back.


I thought it was 23 points after Texas?

Still, the fact that he could lead after being 300 points behind shows that it doesn't really matter what sort of system is in place.

However, the season is not over yet. Miracles can happen.

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RtN wrote:
smokyburnout wrote:
RtN wrote:
That's the thing, though, even without the Chase format, Johnson would have a substantial points lead right now, possibly bigger than the lead he does under the Chase format.

Johnson would only lead Stewart by 23 points under the old system. Gordon would also still be in contention, 66 points back.


I thought it was 23 points after Texas?

Still, the fact that he could lead after being 300 points behind shows that it doesn't really matter what sort of system is in place.

However, the season is not over yet. Miracles can happen.

after Texas, Stewart would have led Gordon by 93 and Johnson by 94. the whole thing is academic anyway.


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