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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:08 am 
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There are number of people who complain about certain drivers.
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Because Logano is the designated pin-up guy! Him winning the title this year is the best thing that can happen to the series marketing-wise :whistling:

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Chris A wrote:
I think it's a good call that looks weird in a sea of bad calls (or non calls) in similar situations. But the thing is, at some point things need to change. So that first moment of change will always get people whipped up. Kenseth was just unlucky that he's the first one to take the hit.


I kind of agree, I kind of don't. For a start it's good to see action being taken but it's many years too late. Plus the action taken far outweighs the crime. And then there's the fact that the next time someone intentionally wrecks a competitor Nascar will have to show some consistency or they'll make themselves look like an even bigger joke than they already have. I don't like their odds.

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Better late than never.

But all I really see in that statement is, "Chase, Chase, Chase. This is our SPECIAL thing and he tried to RUIN it!"

Get rid of the Chase, get rid of this bullshit. But they won't.


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I'll give NASCAR this much, they actually did something about it.

I thought they would just sweep this under the rug and say "lol boys have at it" by giving Matt probation for the rest of the calendar year.

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Since it hasn't been posted in a while. :lol:

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mclaren2008 wrote:
NASCAR you're a joke. Wrecks and Junior, that's all the fans care about these days.
Odds are very high that the last of the mongoloid fans won't have Jr. to care about after 2017 - poor NASCAR. Image


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Its gonna be tough times for sure


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Nothing describes how I feel about this whole situation better than how Ricky Craven does in this segment. A few people gave me a hard time for defending Matt in the Martinsville thread, but being a driver and having had rivalries in the past it's easy to see it from Matt's point of view and relate to the emotions involved. Obviously how Matt retaliated was way out of line, and actions like that can't be tolerated in a "professional sport". But NASCAR put him in a bad spot by basically saying that they aren't going to do anything about a guy spinning someone out and ruining their race/championship, when he had a fast enough car to make a clean pass, just because he felt he was being blocked and had nothing to lose. This whole situation is a mess, and NASCAR really has no one to blame but themselves for their consistent inconsistency and poor judgement.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:12 am 
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RIP NASCAR 1949-2003


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It almost sounds like the FIA is running NASCAR these days.....

I think it's mentioned before, but a few years back, I think it was Keselowski who got turned around and almost flew over the fence into the public. That was pretty much manslaughter, and nothing was done then. A bit weird to suddenly have two contradicting policies, let them fight, and retaliation is not professional. Hasn't that mentality of retaliation been part of NASCAR since forever? It's kinda the nature of stock car and especially on ovals. You only have to wait a few seconds for your attacker and your blood hasn't cooled down by a long shot.

Anyway, I haven't followed NASCAR closely the last few years, but it seems like Jean Todt must have visited in Austin.


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Couple of things with this...

1) Good call on penalizing the 20 and making it enough to count.
2) Shocked at the 2 race suspension though, but... (See #3)
3) NASCAR came down hard only because it's CHASE time and Kenseth took out a CHASE eligible driver.
4) This is NASCAR's attempt to regain control of a situation they are dangerously close to completely losing.

The inconsistency of calls is nothing new. NASCAR has NEVER been consistent on their penalties. Had this happened at the first Martinsville race I don't think you'd see this penalty. I also don't think you'd see this penalty if Kenseth was also in the CHASE. However, at some point, you have to lay down the law or it's going to become at complete disaster (as if it's not all ready.)

The only way to get rid of this foolishness is to eliminate the CHASE. That won't happen so what will happen is they will modify it and do away with the elimination aspect and come up with some other junk.

Finally, would Kenseth have made the round of 8 had he not thrown the block and let Logano go at Kansas? He would have finished 2nd instead toward the back...


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Kyle was right, it's about the team and the driver when penalties are laid out. You gonna suspend Danica for wrecking herself and getting brake checked by a small potato driver? Course not. Here's Matty with an eye on him already with the thought of retaliation always there, taking out the leader of the race who's going for four wins in a row and a ticket to the next Chase round. Implications were HUGE.

I was surprised for a minute about the two race call, but that second race must be for being the biggest liar in the world, getting in live TV and saying you had a tire go down or mumbling about your splitter. What an assclown.

On NASCAR and their lack of calls in the past, this is the kinda penalty that should have be fallen JAFF at Phoenix if you want my honest opinion. (Part of the Carl/Brad was those cars taking off on contact. Not Carl's fault there.) Same implications towards the end of the year. But NASCAR didn't have the guts to suspend such a big name. Glad they grew some balls and did what they had to get some sorta control back, but the damage has been done, this will be looked on as one of the saddest few weeks in NASCAR history.


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I can't help but LOL at anyone who puts Danica wrecking Gilliland on the same page as Kenseth wrecking Logano. IT WAS FOR 30TH, YOU DOLTS.

Compare it to Edwards\Keselowski, Gordon\Bowyer and hell, even Vickers\Kenseth (2011, thanks for the reminder Gael) - but comparing Danica's taking out Gilliland for 30th (as dumb as it was) to Kenseth taking Logano out of the lead doesn't hold the same weight. At all.

Are you high *right now*? :lol:


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The clowns on the NASCAR Facebook are the ones talking like that. I know most care less about those drivers running in the back. What Kenseth did had a huge impact on the Championship picture. Remember Kyle taking out Hornaday who was going for a Championship was suspended from all activity the next weekend.


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So if you're running 30th, you have every right to play destruction derby with the rest of the field?


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De Cesaris fan wrote:
So if you're running 30th, you have every right to play destruction derby with the rest of the field?


I dunno, where was Harvick running at the last restart at Dega?

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Kyle Busch is right.
The only thing nascar is being vey consistent in being inconsistent on calls and that is BS.


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