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Wrecks and Junior, that's all it is these days

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I don't think it's just a "youth of today" thing; like it or not, everyone has more distractions to fill their time, and it's hard to be successful with something that demands people give up a whole afternoon every week. There are two likely ways this can go as I see it: change nothing and see the sport slowly drop from relevance until change is forced by lack of revenue or things just fall apart, or try updating aspects of the sport to suit a modern audience and take a chance that it will improve the sport's fortunes. I know this is a slippery slope and the worst changes in the past decade have been made under this reasoning, but race length is something that inevitably has to change IMO.

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I think the bigger issue is that every time they have changed something, they have claimed it has been for the fans. Then, when the fans disapprove, ratings drop and people stop going to the races, their answer is to double down on the change that started the issue in the first place.


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Or make it worse. Like the COT overtaking problems taking 10 years and 5 aero rules, engine hp removal, harder tyres, to sudenly realize that it wasn't working that way. With us bitching about it ever since 2008.


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Philthy82 wrote:
I don't think it's just a "youth of today" thing; like it or not, everyone has more distractions to fill their time, and it's hard to be successful with something that demands people give up a whole afternoon every week. There are two likely ways this can go as I see it: change nothing and see the sport slowly drop from relevance until change is forced by lack of revenue or things just fall apart, or try updating aspects of the sport to suit a modern audience and take a chance that it will improve the sport's fortunes. I know this is a slippery slope and the worst changes in the past decade have been made under this reasoning, but race length is something that inevitably has to change IMO.


Yeah I probably unfairly singled out the youth of today when it's not really them, it's everybody, we have instant access to entertainment easily available with we get bored with the 4 hour race.


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I'll admit, if I were 12-16 years old, no way I'd be able to sit through a 4 hour race. Heck even when I was 16-22, I worked a lot of Sundays so I just got used to recording them then that night or the next morning I'd FF through it. There were no Twitter and FB was in it's infancy at the end of that span so it's not like I had to go far out of my way to avoid spoilers. Outside of the jewel races, these races just can't cross the 3 hour mark.

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mclaren2008 wrote:
All people want to see is wrecks


Being entertained by accidents is does not preclude being entertained by Actual Good Racing.


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The length of races is only a problem because the youth of today expect everything to be a available instantly, back when we were kids nothing was instantly accessible and if you wanted to know what happened and didn't have coverage, you either had to watch the news to see if something happened or, in the UK, wait until Motoring News was published on a Wednesday to read about it.

So if we had coverage, you were quiet content to sit there for 2-4 hours to take in the event. NASCAR could run 10 lap sprints each Sunday and the television audience wouldn't improve, the product isn't so much the problem, its only a symptom of a much larger social based change in habits. People get bored quickly now because there's always something more exciting to watch just a few clicks away.

I still think there is too much down force and they should cut the splitter and skirts off and go back to sending a ton of air under the car,but even i'm not naive enough to think that will fix NASCAR's problems.



Are long races really the problem? I enjoy watching enduros from other series as well as older nascar races. I don't think race length is the issue here unless if I'm missing something? It's just that everything sucks. The car, the commentary, the racing product, the drivers, etc are shit. At least crashes are a temporary moment of excitement.


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Tinfoil hat time, but I swear he got busted for doping or PED's and he's suspended. This whole press conference just seems like an elaborate coverup.


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Random question, was in YouTube zone and came across the 1st race at Texas. Does anyone know why they had the weird dotted line on the track that was on the bottom groove that started at the start/finish and ended at pit entrance and nothing from T4 to the start/finish?

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Probably related to the track's "Dual Banking" gimmick from its early years. Originally, the track had a 24-degree bank for stock cars and like a 6-degree bank below it, in an effort to attract champ cars. The dual-bank made the track real narrow and probably contributed to the track's struggles in its first two years.

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Wreckinturn4 wrote:
Ian-S wrote:
The length of races is only a problem because the youth of today expect everything to be a available instantly, back when we were kids nothing was instantly accessible and if you wanted to know what happened and didn't have coverage, you either had to watch the news to see if something happened or, in the UK, wait until Motoring News was published on a Wednesday to read about it.

So if we had coverage, you were quiet content to sit there for 2-4 hours to take in the event. NASCAR could run 10 lap sprints each Sunday and the television audience wouldn't improve, the product isn't so much the problem, its only a symptom of a much larger social based change in habits. People get bored quickly now because there's always something more exciting to watch just a few clicks away.

I still think there is too much down force and they should cut the splitter and skirts off and go back to sending a ton of air under the car,but even i'm not naive enough to think that will fix NASCAR's problems.



Are long races really the problem? I enjoy watching enduros from other series as well as older nascar races. I don't think race length is the issue here unless if I'm missing something? It's just that everything sucks. The car, the commentary, the racing product, the drivers, etc are shit. At least crashes are a temporary moment of excitement.


That was kind of my point, see the bolded bit (but yeah I can kind of see where it seems I was saying the race lengths was the problem, but I don't think that is the core issue, you've highlighted a lot of what's wrong).


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NASCAR's main audience was the generation that grew up on a handful of TV channels and no smart phones, video games or internet porn. That generation is getting old and anyway, NASCAR did its best to drive them away the last 10-15 years.


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Probably fake but pandemonium will ensue if this has any truth.

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Been confirmed fake.


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Been confirmed fake.


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Probably fake but pandemonium will ensue if this has any truth.

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i could see something like that happening, but it wouldnt really change things that much. its the quality of the on-track product that makes or breaks nascar, and the car packages they enforced last year are FINALLY a step in the right direction

i remember more individual races than how a championship finished. exciting races + boring championship = good nascar / boring races + close championship = bad nascar.

of course exciting races + close championship would = great nascar


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This new format is probably a intended spread rumour just to see the repercutions.



Joe A wrote:
Probably related to the track's "Dual Banking" gimmick from its early years. Originally, the track had a 24-degree bank for stock cars and like a 6-degree bank below it, in an effort to attract champ cars. The dual-bank made the track real narrow and probably contributed to the track's struggles in its first two years.

It would be nice to have a very narrow 1.5 mile track with lots of banking, like the Atlanta speed with the space of Darlington. Just need cars that are less aero-dependent.


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