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Who will lead the Drivers Championship after the Japanese GP?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:44 am 
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It's been over 10 years since the changes but every time I play suzuka on a racing game I still get confused about where the pit lane is.
Before or after the chicane? ..too late, just backed off for no reason! :slaphead:

They actually moved pit entrance after the chicane in 2000


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Don´t know if this has been posted earlier in the thread, but here is a moment with Kevin Magnussen three laps before Bianchis crash.

Magnussen managed to save it...

http://www.gfycat.com/LightheartedDescriptiveBullfrog

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Don´t know if this has been posted earlier in the thread, but here is a moment with Kevin Magnussen three laps before Bianchis crash.

Magnussen managed to save it...

http://www.gfycat.com/LightheartedDescriptiveBullfrog


That's further round, closer to where Alesi and Raikkonen ended up, but a valid demonstration. He doesn't appear to be under yellows though.


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It's been over 10 years since the changes but every time I play suzuka on a racing game I still get confused about where the pit lane is.
Before or after the chicane? ..too late, just backed off for no reason! :slaphead:

They actually moved pit entrance after the chicane in 2000


It has been moved a few times, hasn't it? I think it started off on the pit straight, then got moved to before the chicane, then perhaps two different positions after it? I think it has been through the same sort of changes as the Interlagos pit entry tbh.


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Whiting on Bianchi and the waved yellows: "He did slow down, it's a matter of degree"


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FIA plans to take decision on how much to slow down at yellow flags away from drivers and will be controlled. Team meeting on Saturday


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Suzuka track video showed that Bianchi got sideways, over corrected, and went straight off


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Did they show the TV feed video of the crash? I'm guessing this isn't something we're going to get to se


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I guess it was shown to those in the press conference since there was a screen set up. But it's not something that will be shown publicly.


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unless it leaks

at least now they're working for more safety on yellow situations

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F1: FIA reveals details of Jules Bianchi's crash in Japanese GP
By Jonathan Noble Friday, October 10th 2014, 16:47 GMT

Jules Bianchi, Japanese GP 2014

The FIA has revealed more details about the circumstances that led up to Jules Bianchi's horrific Formula 1 accident at the Japanese Grand Prix.

During a media briefing at the Russian GP on Friday, F1 race director Charlie Whiting ran through CCTV footage of the minutes before Bianchi crashed into a recovery vehicle.

The video footage, taken from cameras overlooking Turn 7, showed the cars coming through the long left-hander in the closing stages of the Japanese Grand Prix.

With rain falling, the racing line appears to have less water on it - with worse conditions on the outside of the bend where cars are not running.

The incident begins when Adrian Sutil runs wide onto the outside line of water and spins off.

Whiting said: "There is a dryish line. As the rain has intensified, a little bit of water creeps on to the drier line, and as cars go a little bit wide there, you see that Adrian got onto that and lost control.

"He touches that slightly wetter bit of track, and he is behind Jules at this point.

"When he hits that slightly wetter bit of track, he loses control and spins."

A lap later, with double waved yellow flags being displayed, Bianchi hits the same bit of water.

But unlike Sutil, Bianchi does not spin around. Instead, he attempts to correct the slide but over-corrects and spears straight off the track.

Whiting added: "You can see Jules doing something similar. He hits the same bit of water, but there is a slight difference - he does not spin like Adrian did.

"He corrects and goes off at a slightly different trajectory."

Bianchi's car slides straight off the track and skips across a gravel trap before colliding with the recovery vehicle that is retrieving Sutil's car.

Whiting said that it was not yet possible to judge exactly what speed Bianchi hit the truck at.

"It is a little too early because you don't get any proper data from the car when it is going across gravel," he said.

"GPS data is all you can rely on and you cannot rely on that very much.

"It is not a good idea at this stage until we have proper investigations, really analyse the footage and GPS data to see what the impact speed was.

"It would be too early to throw a figure out there and come back later and say it wasn't quite right."

The trajectory of Bianchi's accident means that even if he had not hit the truck, it would still have been a sizeable accident with the barriers.

"Looking at the first estimates of the speed of the car, I would say it would have been - with three row tyre barrier and guard rail -very similar to Heikki Kovalainen's accident in Barcelona [in 2008]," said Whiting. "But that is a very rough estimate."

Whiting said that initial analysis had ruled out mechanical failure for causing the crash.

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Interesting that they had to use CCTV footage since the official FOM camera caught the incident as well (as you can see in that youtube video).


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CCTV normally gives a greater perspective because it covers a far wider area. TV cameras are focused on a very fine area, which in this case perhaps didn't give a useful amount of detail needed to assess cause and effect.

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CCTV is cool because it's usually a static angle, gives a better appreciation of cars' motions compared to a moving/jolting TV camera. They probably examine all the evidence anyway.

I don't see why they wouldn't release footage of the accident beginning, with the impact edited off. Not that I need to see it, it seems very common, Whiting's description gives a clear enough picture.


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I remember when the CCTV in Paul Ricard caught one of those testing crashes involving a McLaren, I guess it was with Gene, quite a destruction

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I remember when the CCTV in Paul Ricard caught one of those testing crashes involving a McLaren, I guess it was with Gene, quite a destruction


That was Wurz

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Jules Bianchi accident: Key questions answered
By Jonathan Noble Friday, October 10th 2014, 18:36 GMT

Formula 1 race director Charlie Whiting's initial report into Jules Bianchi's Japanese Grand Prix crash was supplied to FIA president Jean Todt on Friday.

Just a few hours later, the governing body broke its silence on the details surrounding the horrific accident that has left the French driver fighting for his life.

After days of speculation, a lengthy press conference provided greater clarity about the events at Suzuka and what lessons have been learned.

Here AUTOSPORT picks out the key answers that were given as efforts to improve safety continues.

WAS IT WRONG TO START THE RACE AT 3PM?

Moving forward the start of the Japanese GP from 3pm due to weather fears was discussed, but rejected by race organisers.

Some have linked the start time to contributing to the Bianchi crash, but Whiting does not agree.

Charlie Whiting: "Firstly, the race start time is not really a matter for the FIA.

"I did suggest to the organisers that they might want to consider doing it earlier to get the race in, as the forecast was worse than it turned out to be. They didn't want to do that.

"I warned them that we would not run the race unless it was safe to run it, and there was a high probability that they would not have a race.

"They said no, they wanted to stick with the 3pm start time. But for me, the race start time is totally unconnected to the incident in question."

WHY DID THE FIA NOT BRING OUT THE SAFETY CAR TO DEAL WITH THE RECOVERY OF ADRIAN SUTIL'S CAR?

There have been many claims that the FIA should have brought out the safety car for the retrieval of Adrian Sutil's stricken Sauber.

Whiting says that doing so would be a break from normal procedure, and that double waved yellows is standard practice for the type of recovery that was taking place at Suzuka.

Whiting: "We put double waved yellows out because we felt the incident could be dealt with without using the safety car.

"The next stage up is a safety car but, because the car was well away from the track and against the tyres, it is the normal procedure for us to follow under those circumstances. We didn't see any need for a safety car."

DID BIANCHI SLOW DOWN ENOUGH FOR YELLOW FLAGS?

Double waved yellows inform drivers to slow down and be prepared to stop.

The FIA said that Bianchi had reacted and backed off compared to his previous lap, but did not reveal just how much slower he was.

Whiting: "I know what speed he left the track at. We have seen the data from all the cars.

"A lot of cars came through the double waved yellow sector, not everyone slowed down as much.

"There were some that didn't slow down much and some slowed down a lot - and I don't think we need to go into the detail of how much he slowed down relative to the others.

"Suffice to say, we do have that data. He did slow down and it is a matter of degree."

WERE THE MARSHALS RIGHT TO SHOW A GREEN FLAG AFTER THE INCIDENT?

Video footage of the Bianchi crash taken by a fan revealed a green flag being displayed after the accident - as is standard protocol.

There have been stories questioning whether or not this was a mistake, but Whiting says he is wholly happy with what the marshals did once the recovery was taking place behind that marshal post.

Whiting: "It was entirely the correct signal, because it was after the obstruction.

"What you must understand is that the green does not mean you can start racing because you have seen the green, you cannot start racing until you reach the green.

"It is exactly the same as a yellow. If you see a yellow going in to the first corner, you don't have to obey it until you get to it."

WERE THERE DELAYS IN THE FIA UNDERSTANDING HOW SERIOUS BIANCHI'S CRASH WAS?

The nature of the Bianchi crash meant that signals designed to alert race control of a major incident did not get relayed back, as systems on the car had been destroyed.

With television cameras not picking up the crash either, Whiting revealed that he had initially been unaware of how serious the situation was.

Whiting: "Simply the car was not visible

"My first thoughts were looking at the screen, where you saw the tractor recovering the car, 'this is taking a long time, it's taking longer than I expected.'

"Normally the marshals in Suzuka work really, really quickly. Then they said a car has hit the tractor.

"It was the clerk of the course. They got a message back from the post, that a car has hit the tractor. I said, 'what do you mean?' I couldn't see a car hit the tractor.

"It then took a while to get another camera and then we could see there was a car there.

"It was not completely apparent the condition of the driver: is the driver hurt? Is anyone hurt? When we found out we dispatched safety and medical cars."

Whiting estimated the delay was only around 20 seconds.

WHY WAS BIANCHI TAKEN TO HOSPITAL BY AMBULANCE?

In serious incidents, drivers are normally flown to hospital by helicopter. The decision to send Bianchi via ambulance was questioned at the time, but the explanation for why the FIA did that is clear.

FIA chief medical officer Jean-Charles Piette: "The main referral hospital, which is Mie General Medical Centre, is 15km from the circuit. The distance by road is supposed to be 25 minutes under normal circumstances.

"When Jules had his accident, the chief medical officer told me at that moment that the helicopter can take off from the circuit but cannot land at the hospital.

"So we decided, as initially thought from the morning, to use a resuscitation ambulance to go to hospital. With a police escort, the duration of the transfer was 32 minutes."

When asked if the extra time affected Bianchi's conditions, medical rescue co-ordinator Ian Roberts said: "The excess time was only seven minutes throughout the whole of the transfer.

"Jules was monitored very closely and he arrived at hospital in exactly the same state physiologically as when we left - so no.

"It was quite stable throughout and made no difference."

WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP?

As well as the FIA looking at ways to introduce new yellow flag speed limits, a full report on the crash is to be submitted to the its Safety Commission, which is headed by Peter Wright.

An expert panel may then be set up to look at lessons that can be learned to ensure that such an accident will never happen again.

FIA president Jean Todt said: "We have to learn from what has happened and we will learn from what has happened, because we cannot be facing such a situation again."

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So the actual conference to clear up and understand what happened has just created more speculation by not directly answering one of the most key questions.

"I know what speed he left the track at. We have seen the data from all the cars.

"A lot of cars came through the double waved yellow sector, not everyone slowed down as much.

"There were some that didn't slow down much and some slowed down a lot - and I don't think we need to go into the detail of how much he slowed down relative to the others.

"Suffice to say, we do have that data. He did slow down and it is a matter of degree."

Yes Charlie, but that doesn't placate the media at all, who can only speculate and continue to spread rumors and innuendo as to did he slow down sufficiently, not as a degree to what others were doing.

Also, if there was a big discrepancy between who slowed down sufficiently and who didn't, why haven't the drivers that didn't slow down sufficiently not been dealt with?

The FIA is just kicking own goals here. This is supposedly one of the most watched, anticipated and dissected sports in the world. By not categorically clearing up with the media one of the most important facts

about the incident, they have just left the whole saga open to more speculation, which they will have to deal with further down the road.

There is respect to Jules, but how much disrespect are they causing him by leaving open this speculation?


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Accordint to Alain Prost, news are going worst for Jules... :(

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Alain Prost a également entendu les mauvaises nouvelles qui circulent dans le paddock de Sotchi concernant Jules Bianchi et son état qui se serait dégradé. Le quadruple champion du monde a été très choqué comme il le confie à RMC.

"On a tous été marqués et j’ai été personnellement très choqué. Les nouvelles ne sont pas très rassurantes. Ça ne va pas changer. On ne peut plus rien y faire. C’était très choquant. Notre génération avait connu des accidents, non pas similaires, mais très graves. Ça nous rappelle des mauvais souvenirs. Avec l’âge, c’est un peu comme si c’était nos enfants. Vingt-cinq ans (l’âge de Bianchi), c’est très choquant. On n’a pas envie de voir un pilote se blesser grièvement avec un tracteur," déclare le Français.

Que pense Prost des arguments que la FIA a mis en avant hier, affirmant que tout avait été fait selon les règles d’usage ?

"Je ne veux pas faire de polémique avec la FIA car j’ai trop de respect pour tout ce qui a été fait en matière de sécurité. Il y a encore un élément sur lequel on savait qu’il y avait encore à faire, c’est là-dessus."

"Bien entendu que je ne suis pas convaincu, mais encore une fois, pas de polémique. C’est normal que la FIA montre que c’est difficile de prendre certaines décisions. Mais il ne faut pas se cacher derrière la procédure. Celle-ci doit exister. Il y a certainement d’autres moyens à trouver. Il faut que cet accident serve à tout le monde pour qu’il n’arrive plus jamais. On n’aura jamais des conditions identiques tout le temps. Dans des circonstances extrêmes, il faut zéro risque. C’est pour ça que je ne peux pas être totalement convaincu."

"Cet accident n’est pas banal, dans le sens où il est provoqué par un élément extérieur. Mais la F1, c’est comme dans la vie, sur la route, il y a des règles à respecter. Selon moi, ce tracteur ne devait pas être là dans les conditions, dans lesquelles la fin de course s’est déroulée."

"On peut toujours trouver des excuses ou des raisons à tout, il faut plutôt juger les conséquences. Un pilote qui va un peu plus vite en conditions de pluie, qui respecte un peu moins le drapeau jaune, ça arrivera toujours. Il faut le savoir."


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Alain Prost also heard the bad news circulating in the Sochi paddock regarding Jules Bianch's condition, which apparently has deteriorated. The four time world champion was very shocked, as he told RMC.

"We are all very affected and I'm personally very shocked. The news we receive is not very reassuring. This will not change. We can do nothing about it. It was very shocking. Our generation has seen accidents, not similar, but very grave. This reminds us of the bad memories/souvenirs. With age, it's a bit like these drivers are our children. 25 Years of age (Bianchi's age) is very shocking. We have no desire to see a driver being badly hurt with a tractor", said the Frenchmen.

What does Prost think about the arguments put forward by the FIA on Thursday, stating that all that happened was in compliance with the applicable rules?

"I don't wish to cause trouble to the FIA, because I have a massive amount of respect for what they have done on the level of safety. There was still an element of which we knew there was something to be done, it's the "above" [probably refering to the open cockpits].

"I am not entirely convinced, but again, I don't have a desire to cause trouble. It is normal that the FIA shows it is difficult to take some decisions. But one cannot hide behind procedure. This one [a procedure] had to exist. There are certainly other means to be found. This accident can never happen again. The conditions are never the same at all times. In extreme circumstances, risk is not an option. It is because of this I cannot be totally convinced.

"This accident is not banal, in the sense that it was provoked by an exterior element. But F1, it's like in life, on the road, with rules to be respected. In my opinion, the tractor should not have been there in the conditions under which the latter stages of the race took place.

"One can always find excuses or reasons for anything, but it is more important to judge the consequences. A driver who drives a bit faster in rainy conditions, who respects the yellow flag a bit less, this always happen. One has to know.


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Unfortunately Romain Grosjean tells pretty much the same on FrenchTv after qualifying : "we are loosing a friend" :(

I am feeling devastated since sunday as one of my best friend works for All Road Management which is the driver management company runs by nicolas todt. He knows Jules since 10 years now, such a nice guy.


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