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"Anti-whining" whining thread - Shame on the TV Director?
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Author:  Ayrton S. [ Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:20 pm ]
Post subject:  "Anti-whining" whining thread - Shame on the TV Director?
You may be like, just enjoying the great fight between Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel, during this British Grand Prix.
Some great moves, hard but legal defense, that's why we love Racing.

But you may be like me, seeing my pleasure, my enjoyment wasted by the constants moaning of Alonso: "Boooooo, he uses his DRS! Booooooooo, he's off track!", and the permanent whining by Vettel:"Booooooo, we nearly crashed!! Boooooo, I can't pass him!!"

To be honest, I have this strange and a bit disgusting feeling that I didn't enjoyed that battle at the right value.
Because of these constants complains, I was mad at that, even their hands were doing the right stuff.

But is it really their fault? We don't hear every line said by every drivers. Probably most of the F1 drivers always bitching about the others, a bit like in football. When I use to drive go-karts, every drivers with me on track was "a complete moron who should go off, you fucking slow ass!!".

so, my question is: is it the fault of the TV Director?
Since a few years, the radio discussions had given us more informations about the race, but too much radios?
I think we early get the point Alonso and Vettel would constantly whining at each other, it wasn't worth it to always remember it.

With that poll, I'm myself a bit annoying for little stuff, but I think it's still an interesting question.
We want racing, not "The Young and the Restless" in F1.
Author:  ChiliFan [ Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:22 pm ]
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Of course it's down to the TV director. Drivers vent their frustration over the radio all the time, but now we have to hear it and it spoils what would otherwise be an enjoyable battle.
Author:  Cheeveer [ Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:24 pm ]
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Too bad James Hunt didn't have in-car radio. That would have been too funny.
Author:  Gaara [ Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:31 pm ]
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Nothing broadcastable though :lol:
Author:  Karan [ Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:31 pm ]
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It was a bit excessive tbh. I'm sure that kinda shit happens constantly in every race but they don't air much of it unless it's something substantially dramatic. However in this case airing all the little comments did cheapen it a bit and took away the focus from the actual action which was fantastic.
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:35 pm ]
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whining is equivalent to diving in football as you may see
Author:  kals [ Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:42 pm ]
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dicksplaash wrote:
Too bad James Hunt didn't have in-car radio. That would have been too funny.


James Hunt wrote:
*beeep* Lauda. What the *beeep* is he doing? How many *beeep* times have I *beeep* the *beeep*, once I get out of this *beeep* car I'm going to punch his *beeep* lights out.
Author:  RtN [ Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:48 pm ]
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kals wrote:
dicksplaash wrote:
Too bad James Hunt didn't have in-car radio. That would have been too funny.


James Hunt wrote:
*beeep* Lauda. What the *beeep* is he doing? How many *beeep* times have I *beeep* the *beeep*, once I get out of this *beeep* car I'm going to punch his *beeep* lights out.


To say nothing of what he thought of the French drivers.

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To answer the question, I think the TV directors are directed (hurr) to build impressions of certain drivers as part of the theatre of sport. Lewis 'the racer' gets a lot of radio based around things like 'Just let me drive, man' and so on. Kimi gets a lot of radio for his very insular side ('Leave me alone, leave me alone, I know what I'm doing'). Jenson has almost a monopoly on radio complaining of lack of balance.

So I think they do try and feed our prejudices, both positive and negative.
Author:  Karan [ Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:49 pm ]
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kals wrote:
dicksplaash wrote:
Too bad James Hunt didn't have in-car radio. That would have been too funny.


James Hunt wrote:
*beeep* Lauda. What the *beeep* is he doing? How many *beeep* times have I *beeep* the *beeep*, once I get out of this *beeep* car I'm going to punch his *beeep* lights out.


lmao I heard that in my head in James Hunt's voice and it sounds exactly like something he'd say hah.
Author:  Cheeveer [ Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:51 pm ]
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To say nothing of what Mansell or Graham Hill would be like.

I say that this is just how modern broadcasting have turned out to be. Racing drivers have always been selfish bastards.
Author:  Coldtyre [ Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:57 pm ]
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Many comments in this thread forget that there's a fine line between angry insults/fingers/gestures, and whining.

What we saw today is bitching to an external person about your tiny lil' problems. It's not anger or excitement, it's weakness and brattiness, inside the cockpit, before the actual battle is even over.

So don't you dare associate the angry manly comments a Mansell/Hill/Hunt would make, to the ramblings of the teenage spoiled brats that drive F1s these days. :p
Author:  James B [ Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:03 pm ]
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The drivers were just looking for every advantage they could get - bit like surrounding the referee in football. They do it because occasionally it works

Hearing it did detract a little from what we were seeing but it's not going to change because FOM thinks its audience is incredibly thick and that everything needs spelling out for them
Author:  Cheeveer [ Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:39 pm ]
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114865
Author:  kals [ Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:09 pm ]
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dicksplaash wrote:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114865


Read that earlier and found myself agreeing with Horner.
Author:  cookie [ Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:02 pm ]
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If there was grass next to the track we wouldn't have this track limits bullshit, so I blame the FIA. And the drivers for trying to be sissy football players and whine to the referee to give the other team a red card. It's good the TV director played those bits of teamradio. The drivers should be enjoying that fight, it is why they race. To fight wheel to wheel with other drivers. How do they find the time to complain? When I'm simracing I can't even drive and talk at the same time. Less talk is more focus!
Author:  KingOfChins [ Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:19 pm ]
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cookie wrote:
When I'm simracing I can't even drive and talk at the same time. Less talk is more focus!

Actually I've found the opposite to be true. Maybe it's over-concentrating or just over-thinking with silence, but talking helps me find my rhythm while driving quite a bit.
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:34 pm ]
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IMO the penalties for moaning should just like in football. If a player complains too much to the ref he gets booked. If a driver does the same he gets penalty points

of course they must stop giving penalties for every single racing incident like is happening nowadays
Author:  codename_47 [ Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:28 pm ]
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I remember in the early days of Outtake programs like It'll be Alright on The Night or Bloopers with Dick Clarke or whatever, actors would very deliberately swear OTT if they ever made a mistake because they then knew it would never be used on TV

Hence the invention of the bleep when someone is swearing on TV

If the F1 drivers were to apply this to their radio communications they don't want to be on TV, it'd probably be too much work for the editor to bleep out all the swearing and probably by the time we got a bleeped message about pit strategy or something, it'd be so out of date there would be no point airing it.

Maybe Juan Pablo Montoya had it right all along :p

another award winning idea posted by ideas man codename_47
Author:  phil1993 [ Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:38 pm ]
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codename_47 wrote:
If the F1 drivers were to apply this to their radio communications they don't want to be on TV, it'd probably be too much work for the editor to bleep out all the swearing and probably by the time we got a bleeped message about pit strategy or something, it'd be so out of date there would be no point airing it.


A lot of them do this when talking about strategy, for exactly that point. But not all, and not all the time.
Author:  Fabs [ Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:11 pm ]
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cookie wrote:
When I'm simracing I can't even drive and talk at the same time. Less talk is more focus!

And that's why you're only a "sim" racer ;)
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