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And who are they basing their opinion on? They know attendances might fall with quieter engines, but that's not because of the hardcore - the people who would potentially stop coming because of the lack of noise (and I do find that hard to believe anyway tbh) probably aren't all that interested in F1 any more, though not quite to the extent of just going because it's fashionable

I think it's all a load of hot air. As Joe Saward said, Ron Walker's got no case - he's just complaining for the sake of publicity, jumping on a growing bandwagon. Never mind that they charge way too much to get into a grand prix anyway. I'd go if it was affordable even if the engines were powered by farts and made less sound than a titmouse, and a lot of other people are in the same position - if they're worried about attendances, that's what they should be looking at. And in any case, I really can't see how there's going to be a quick fix here. So it's a completely pointless argument

AIUI Bernie has no say in the matter, as the Commercial Rights Holder doesn't get to set the formula. He has even less of one at the moment, thanks to the various court caes.

Also, about using road blocks - wasn't BMW's turbo engine based on one? I remember reading it was also peed on for a genuine engineering reason. Could well be something of an urban legend, though...

I know Bernie doesn't decide this but he has made his point clear towards the FIA and the engine manufacturers.



True, but you can't blame them since that's where they get the $$$ from.



Sorry but I disagree on this. Of course it's an interesting point to discuss but in the end we all have our own taste.



They are worried about attendances because a large part of it don't embrace the new sound whilst that's their reason to attend, so can you blame them for it?



If there is, then there should IMO. Just like you I don't know how, but it is something they are discussing right now.

I simply love those stories about outrageous power, specially about american big block engines

about noise, just make some "slight" changes on exhaust system and see what it happens

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I don't mind the sound very much. For me the sound is nothing more than a 'by product'. It's a nice to have, but it is not what is F1 making the pinnacle of motorracing. It's not the louder the better the engine...

I understand if people are dissappointed, if you go to a concert to see the loudest band in the world (Manowar? Motörhead?), and all of a sudden they play at a much lesser volume, that would also be a dissappointment.

The same goes for the colour of the cars. It's a very nice to have if they look good (i.e. Williams), but it has nothing really to do with the racing itself.

But great races + great looking cars + great sounding cars > just great races

I much prefer the sound of the cars over the high pitched ones we've had for years. I do wish they were a little louder, but it's also cool to hear crowd noise and lock ups.

I'm not really sure what can be changed, tbh. Most of the diagrams and illustrations available show the exhaust pipe coming directly out of the rear of the engine/turbo, so it's basically a straight-through as it is. They are probably quieter than other recent turbo cars because they are more efficient, if you go with the theory of noise = wasted energy.

So, the lack of ear splitting noise from the new engines is a problem for F1 which could lead to reduced attendance and less global appeal, thus tarnishing the reputation of F1 as the pinnacle of motorsport...

Really?

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Whup, late reply. I found that I had to stay stopped up to at least f/6.3, depending on how much light there was, to get rid of flaring. Used an EF 300mm f/4L for those shots, which seems to be rather flary wide open, do the more expensive 2.8 lenses have the same issue wide open?