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Gabriel · PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:51 pm

mclaren2008 wrote:

Jackie Stewart said that Jan Magnussen was the best driver since Senna :whistling:

It happens a lot. Just another addition to the list of drivers that didn't lived up to the hype and expectations.

Still waiting for Liuzzi's world championship and Enrico Toccacelo's F1 career.

iks · PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:00 pm

Gabriel wrote:

mclaren2008 wrote:

Jackie Stewart said that Jan Magnussen was the best driver since Senna :whistling:

It happens a lot. Just another addition to the list of drivers that didn't lived up to the hype and expectations.

Still waiting for Liuzzi's world championship and Enrico Toccacelo's F1 career.

Haha, I remember Toccacelo.

And then there is Björn Wirdheim who did well in F3000 but basically screwed himself out of any F1 chance with his Monaco fumble.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:16 pm

Frank and Bernie doing a little race

MagioBelicke · PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:07 am

THANKS for the excellent revealing historicsl documemt!
Very interedting was the Fottipoldi link!

Enrico "Toccacelo" was a very driver, big feet bit head qas very little! Easily lost track of where he put objects..forhot numbers and generallt did not know capitals of states

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codename_47 · PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:41 am

Scotty wrote:

I never liked Nigel Mansell, always thought he was full of shit, and a complete dick head. But I had a quick look at his wikipedia page and tripped over this...

(Regarding his crash at Le Mans in 2010)

Quote:

However, in the race he crashed going 240 mph after only five laps, following a tire puncture. Reports at the time indicated that he had suffered a concussion, but Mansell later revealed that the accident left him unable to talk or recognize his wife and children. To recover, he took up magic in order to “get [his] brain to work in different ways.” Since taking up the hobby, Mansell has become a member of the Magic Circle and gone on to perform around the world.

Mansell seemed to be a driver of two types.
Either he gave it his absolute best, drove over and above the cars performance, put on some of the best overtaking maneuvers in f1 history and was generally one of the bravest drivers on the grid .
Other times he got easily distracted, made stupid mistakes, hit anything that moved and just wasn't a factor.
The sheer randomness of which mansell you were going to get on any which day was one of the hardest things to work out

Out of the car he was one of the most paranoid, self aggrandising and perhaps one of the most stupid people to ever sit in an f1 car.
But he was still fun to watch as a spectator lol

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:52 pm

codename_47 wrote:

Mansell seemed to be a driver of two types.
Either he gave it his absolute best, drove over and above the cars performance, put on some of the best overtaking maneuvers in f1 history and was generally one of the bravest drivers on the grid .
Other times he got easily distracted, made stupid mistakes, hit anything that moved and just wasn't a factor.
The sheer randomness of which mansell you were going to get on any which day was one of the hardest things to work out

Out of the car he was one of the most paranoid, self aggrandising and perhaps one of the most stupid people to ever sit in an f1 car.
But he was still fun to watch as a spectator lol

pretty much the benchmark of a Maldonado, perhaps the most successful of his kind

yet he produced some great images of the turbo golden era

De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:24 pm

Yeah, Mansell's performances were strange. He was average for four whole seasons at Lotus, easily beaten by De Angelis. Didn't really look like his career was going anywhere until a late surge in form at the end of 1985. Looked like a completely different driver between 1986 - 1993. Arguably deserved the title in 1986, and might have had a chance in 1991, if not for three reliability issues in the first three races, followed by that stupid error in Canada. If he hadn't been driving in the same era as Senna, Prost, and Piquet, he may have had more success. I think that's why he sometimes gets overlooked, but you don't win 31 Grand Prixs, as well as the Indycar title in your first season, without being very good. One of the most entertaining drivers to watch.

And that JPS is beautiful.

James B · PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:41 pm

Scotty wrote:

I'm just curious as to how he got his LMP2 car to 240mph. He definitely wrote his own wikipedia page.

I remember reading his book (it was $2 clearance) where he details how he was nearly beaten to death with cricket bats by school bullies. It's funny how this was his 3rd biography and he failed to mention something like that in the first two.

It's literally Bouncing Back by Alan Partridge. He even says it on several occasions. One of the most bizarre, accidentally entertaining books I've ever read

The Le Mans section is really weird. If there's any truth to the suggestion that he was seriously injured, it probably comes from the fact that he's had so many injuries through his career, maybe all the repeat concussions had just built up over time. It would suggest he was in no fit state to be racing that year

codename_47 · PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:09 pm

Maybe he kept getting faster and faster with each concussion as he got desensitised and therefore braver with each one

Gabriel · PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:21 am

I bet he is now one of those old people that google any symptoms they feel, and are convinced they'll die of very rare diseases.

thestig88 · PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:56 am

Mansell always was a drama queen.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:45 pm

I remember Piquet mentioning that incident in Suzuka 87 that gave him the championship that the pain Mansell was suffering in the car was all made up. His source was a team member that was a military veteran that can tell when people are really feeling the pain

but that was Piquet against Mansell so who knows

codename_47 · PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:49 pm

Yeah, the curse of being a drama queen is he probably did get hurt in one or two of his 100 accidents where he looked hurt, but no-one believed him when he did

I don't think Sid Watkins would stand for any of that shit tbh so how he got away with it with him is a mystery

amq55 · PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:56 pm

Reims, then and now.

thestig88 · PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:31 am

I seem to recall at the 1990 Belgian GP, following the first lap shunt at La Source, Mansell remained in his car giving the impression he was hurt. Sid Watkins went to see if he was ok and it was just Nigel being a dick as usual.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:52 pm

Scotty wrote:

codename_47 wrote:

I don't think Sid Watkins would stand for any of that shit tbh so how he got away with it with him is a mystery

Didn't Sid reveal in an interview or a book that Mansell once faked being dehydrated for dramatic purposes?

Sid dragged his collapsing body away then when they were out of sight he sat up and winked at him.

EDIT: I actually think Nigel admitted this in his stupid book now.

IIRC This is the story from Dr Steve Olvey's book about the Michigan 500 podium

Andretti looked bemused considering he was about 20 years older than him and felt fresh as a daisy.

gkmotorsport · PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:37 pm

thestig88 wrote:

I seem to recall at the 1990 Belgian GP, following the first lap shunt at La Source, Mansell remained in his car giving the impression he was hurt. Sid Watkins went to see if he was ok and it was just Nigel being a dick as usual.

There's a video of a very similar thing in Canada one year. He spun going into the final chicane, bounced over the kerbs a bit, didn't really hit anything and apparently lost consciousness.

/Edit: Here it is - I'm sure I posted it on here within the last year for a similar reason :lol:

I'd put money on this being an attempt to get a red flag.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:45 pm

gkmotorsport wrote:

/Edit: Here it is - I'm sure I posted it on here within the last year for a similar reason :lol:

I'd put money on this being an attempt to get a red flag.

haha at 2:26 when he's shouting to Ron Dennis you can listen someone saying "yeehaw"

plus there was that one in the 1994 Indy 500 when he tangled with Dennis Vitolo, he climbed out rolling on the track apron, blaming on warm fluids that went into the cockpit

MagioBelicke · PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:00 pm

gkmotorsport wrote:

I'd put money on this being an attempt to get a red flag.

Definitively! :flag:

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