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Qualifying at Phoenix
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The late 80s and early 90s cars are beautiful. Always liked the AGS cars.

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Tarquini managed to qualify this car 13th at Monaco and was running in the points before it failed. I wonder what he might have achieved in a better car?

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that washout at Phoenix provided some interesting results, Moreno was doing a great job on that Coloni. Plus qualifying was also a happening with a Minardi on the front row
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more impressive to see a Dallara in 3rd ahead of the Ferraris with Andrea de Cesaris

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This was back when there were 2 qualifying sessions. The Friday one set the grid because Saturday was washed out. This mixed things up.

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Tell that to Richard von Frankenberg.

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(he survived, btw)

I was about to ask if a car would even leave the track with a banking that steep. This answers it.
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Pirelli had a great qualifying tyre in that era. Grouillard was 8th on the grid in Phoenix, in an Osella!

The same thing happened in Monaco in 1989. Brundle squeezed through pre-qualifying, narrowly beating Ghinzani's Osella by 0.02 seconds. Then he qualified 4th on the Saturday. Both Dallaras were top 10, and even Raphanel was in the top 20 in a Coloni.
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Coldtyre wrote:
amq55 wrote:
Tell that to Richard von Frankenberg.

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(he survived, btw)

I was about to ask if a car would even leave the track with a banking that steep. This answers it.

Looking this crash up, I saw a video of Jean Behra's crash. I always thought he had crashed in the straights but he slid over the top of the banking and hit a flagpole.

Warning: fatal

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amq55 wrote:
Coldtyre wrote:
amq55 wrote:
Tell that to Richard von Frankenberg.
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(he survived, btw)

I was about to ask if a car would even leave the track with a banking that steep. This answers it.

Looking this crash up, I saw a video of Jean Behra's crash. I always thought he had crashed in the straights but he slid over the top of the banking and hit a flagpole.

Warning: fatal

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Funnily enough I started reading Graham Hill's 'Life at the Limit' a few days ago (much recommended, and a good time to have this avatar), where he mentions Carel Godin de Beaufort's excursion in the same race as Behra's accident....
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Altogether, the Avus is not a nice circuit. Jean Behra had been killed on it, driving in a sports car race the day before, and Carel de Beaufort had an extraordinary accident in the same race. He went over the top of the banking and just disappeared from sight - straight over the top and down the other side on to a wooded sloping bank. It must be fifty feet high or more. He went straight down, snapping off little trees, charging straight through a wire fence into the paddock and rejoined the race. It was not until three or four laps later that the timekeepers suddenly realized that the car they had seen disappearing over the top of the banking was in fact re-circulating. There was a frantic flurry at the start and finish line and they rushed out and black-flagged him, because they felt that if he had been over the top of the banking the car couldn't possibly be in a fit state to go on running! This is where he earned his name, the Flying Dutchman. A remarkable performance.

Better attach an image, so here's Graham at Monaco in 1958 driving all 320kg of a Lotus 12. Both his and Lotus' first F1 race! Unfortunately he retired from 4th on lap 69 after a rear wheel fell off, and he fell over from heat exhaustion getting out of the car, but he did win £120 at the casino that night :lol:

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That Avus track was a mess. They dropped the Nurburgring to run that place. Thankfully it was a one off.

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Nurburgring also had some amount of madness
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sometimes I think Avus was the german Brooklands

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Nurburgring also had some amount of madness
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sometimes I think Avus was the german Brooklands

Did someone say Brooklands?

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John Cobb breaking the land speed record in 1935.
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Nurburgring also had some amount of madness
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sometimes I think Avus was the german Brooklands


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the number of times I've seen this GPL screenshot passed on as an actual photo on Instagram is :slaphead: :slaphead: :slaphead: :slaphead: :slaphead:

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AN ACTUAL photograph.

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ooh Jarama 1970, that could've been a tragedy, yet they kept extinguishing the flames while the race went on
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They even stood at the other side of the road, spraying water, and stopping when a car passed by at full race speed.
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No wonder Stewart(?) is opposite lock exiting that corner in the picture!
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The attitudes back then were very laid back. It took Roger Williamson for them to finally wake up.

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there were another crashes that also changed, maybe the most significant ones was Cevert in 1973, Lauda in 1976 and the travesty of Montjuich Park
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Looks like an awesome article. I'll see it later. Posting the link here so it doesn't disappear on the old news limbo. And totally related to the tread... :)
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