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2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
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Author:  SirVanhan [ Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:15 pm ]
Post subject:  2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
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Circuit Name: Autodromo di Monza
Number of Laps: 53
Tyres: Medium/Hard
Circuit Length: 5.793 km
Race Distance: 306.720 km
Lap Record: 1:21.046 - R Barrichello (2004)

Friday 07 September 2012
Practice 1 10:00 - 11:30
Practice 2 14:00 - 15:30

Saturday 08 September 2012
Practice 3 11:00 - 12:00
Qualifying 14:00
GP2 Race 15.40
GP3 Race 17.20

Sunday 09 September 2012
GP3 Race 9.00
GP2 Race 10.35
Porsche Supercup Race 11.45
Race 14:00

DRIVER STANDINGS
01 Fernando Alonso 164
02 Sebastian Vettel 140
03 Mark Webber 132
04 Kimi Räikkönen 131
05 Lewis Hamilton 117
06 Jenson Button 101
07 Nico Rosberg 77
08 Romain Grosjean 76

CONSTRUCTOR STANDINGS
01 Red Bull Racing-Renault 272
02 McLaren-Mercedes 218
03 Lotus-Renault 207
04 Ferrari 199
05 Mercedes 112
06 Sauber-Ferrari 80
07 Force India-Mercedes 59
08 Williams-Renault 53

PREVIOUS WINNERS
2011 Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull Renault
2010 Fernando Alonso - Ferrari
2009 Rubens Barrichello - Brawn GP Mercedes
2008 Sebastian Vettel - Toro Rosso Ferrari
2007 Fernando Alonso - McLaren Mercedes
2006 Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
2005 Juan Pablo Montoya - McLaren Mercedes
2004 Rubens Barrichello - Ferrari
2003 Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
2002 Rubens Barrichello - Ferrari
Author:  viXious [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
Lotus better introduces their double DRS this race.
Author:  codename_47 [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
PLZ no more rain of fridays....
Author:  Philthy82 [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
Can't wait to see how Red Bull fuck up their gearing this race and are 20kph down on top speed.
Author:  Stoegi [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
10$ on whoever replaces Grosjean will cause a monumental start accident.
Author:  alex1369 [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
Liuzzi doesnt drive no more, oh but Pastor does even from 24th
Author:  Coldtyre [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
Is it just me or every other race is sponsored by Santander? Their billboards and ads are plastered all over F1.

I'd like some more local content, a British or Italian "Santander" GP is just ridiculous. What's next, the Santander Japan GP ?
Author:  Gaara [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
It also means shitty trophies.
Author:  StanV [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
Stoegi wrote:
10$ on whoever replaces Grosjean will cause a monumental start accident.


I really hope not! :p (unless it's not D'Ambrosio, then he's allowed to fuck up any way he wants)
Author:  Mika Kimi [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:15 pm ]
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Gaara wrote:
It also means shitty trophies.


Yeah that's the only thing about it that annoys me.
Author:  Tobias [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
historic track but in my honest opinion:

track destroyed by first chicane (before 2000 was infinetely better)
very short race
(as a photographer: crap for photos)
great racing happens extremely rarely, although I enjoyed the HAM-SCHU battle last year
very fast track, but does that really matter with today's cars?

these are some of the reasons I have never warmed to Monza.
Author:  acopip [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:50 pm ]
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Author:  De Cesaris fan [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:12 pm ]
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Tobias wrote:
(as a photographer: crap for photos)


But are any of the F1 circuits good for the amateur photographer? There's always massive catchfencing in front of the fans, although I remember Spa had some holes cut out for taking photos. The newer circuits sit you miles from the track, because of all the run off area. It's why I rarely bother going to Silverstone for any events. I'd rather stand on the GP loop at Brands, or anywhere around Snetterton. A car might fly over the fence towards me, but at least I can get a good photo of it. :p
Author:  kals [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
Monza, great and unique circuit with fine history. Monza, barely provided one good race in over 20 years.
Author:  amq55 [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:52 pm ]
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Let me remind y'all of the best part of the track:

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Author:  Fabs [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
kals wrote:
Monza, great and unique circuit with fine history. Monza, barely provided one good race in over 20 years.

Sadly :( and especially now with limited rpm on engines.
Author:  Omega [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
De Cesaris fan wrote:
Tobias wrote:
(as a photographer: crap for photos)


But are any of the F1 circuits good for the amateur photographer? There's always massive catchfencing in front of the fans, although I remember Spa had some holes cut out for taking photos. The newer circuits sit you miles from the track, because of all the run off area. It's why I rarely bother going to Silverstone for any events. I'd rather stand on the GP loop at Brands, or anywhere around Snetterton. A car might fly over the fence towards me, but at least I can get a good photo of it. :p

I've just seen my photo's that I took in Spa. This one has been taken with a €150 camera with no specials, in normal spectator zone:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/83 ... 912mf.jpg/

So I can't complain about Spa
Author:  NVirkkula [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
Fabs wrote:
kals wrote:
Monza, great and unique circuit with fine history. Monza, barely provided one good race in over 20 years.

Sadly :( and especially now with limited rpm on engines.



True, modern gearbox rules and puny engines with low rpm limit means that Monza is not as fast as it used to be. I remember the days when 360km/h was achievable and because of low downforce, cars really struggled to find grip during the braking for the old 1st chicane, which some drivers could really jump through faster than the others.

Sadly, this was reprofiled by Tilke, yet another upgrade that made the original track worse. But the new 1st chicane is not that bad (compared to new Hockenheim, for example), it provides some overtaking at least.

I don't buy kals saying that it has produced just ONE good race in the last 20 years. Where have you been during that time?

1992 Senna wins his last race with Honda, lots of mechanical failures with only eight drivers taking the flag.

1993 a pile-up at the start changed the game dramatically. Senna had the accident with Brundle. Prost's engine let go on last moments of the race. Fittipaldi took the checkered flag in a style which has not been replicated ever since.

In 1994, we had very dramatic first start, when Johnny Herbert's fast b-spec Lotus was taken out in 1st chicane after a good qualifying performance. His spare car was a-spec, a useless junk that underlined Lotus' for the 90's and put them out of business in F1.

In 1995 we had great drama with Hill and Schumacher taking them both out in 2nd chicane.

In 1996 Alesi had his amazing start from 6th to first on the main straight with his Benetton. Hill retakes his lead in Ascari, only to retire after a mistake in 1st chicane later on in the race. Schumi won it for the Tifosi and it was the last time that Ligier scored points.

1998 was also very dramatic race with Häkkinen taking amazing start, leading the race, spinning after a brake failure and still managed to nurse the car home in 4th place.

1999 Häkkinen made his infamous mistake in the 1st chicane, throw away his steering wheel while car was still moving and wept a few tears of frustration, giving the victory silver plated for Heinz-Harald Frentzen in Jordan, while Mika Salo came home 3rd for the cheer of Tifosi crowd.

2000 The awful start crash and Schumacher braking in to tears after a tie with Senna's record of wins.

2001 The first F1 race after 9/11 and Zanardi has just lost his legs. Montoya took his first win with a sold drive.

2004 The fastest Qualifying lap ever

2005 The fastest top speed ever, the fastest race ever (ok, it wasn't very interesting race in the end) and no retirements for the first time since 1961 Dutch GP.

2008 Rain madness, that was controlled by Vettel, Kovalainen following him closely.

2009 Hamilton's attack that ended in tears.

2011 Pile-up and some good battle for podium places.

Sure, the last decade has not been all that glorious and maybe it's because of the "upgrades" done after 1999, but there's been some good, memorable races during the last 20 years at Monza.
Author:  kals [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
Those races may have each had incidents and pockets of excitement but those moments don't make a great race. And yes I was being OTT. However in all of those about the only races plus a few more the only races that have been decent at Monza (to me) have been 1991, 1993, 1995, 2004 and 2008.
Author:  Mäth [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2012 Formula 1 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia
2003 was decent too, until they caught on Frentzen
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