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Surprising to have Senna at Williams... With Maldonado it will be a very young and unexperienced team. Of course Williams seeks money but I'm afraid the results will not as good as expected even if the engine will be a Renault.

IMO having an experienced driver is always a good thing for a team. In addition to that Valtteri Bottas will drive during 15 Friday this year. I'm afraid that Williams Renault will not win again before a long time...


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Williams will never win again, will fail to score points in 2013 and is sold by 2015.


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Tony03 wrote:
IMO having an experienced driver is always a good thing for a team. In addition to that Valtteri Bottas will drive during 15 Friday this year. I'm afraid that Williams Renault will not win again before a long time...


I'm not a subscriber to that theory, experienced drivers tend to be "fixed in their ways" and not willing, or able to try different things, they also tend to complain about everything if it's not perfect and point the finger rather too quickly at the car for the lack of results.

The younger ones will tend to drive round small problems with the car, rather than be fixated with fixing the problem, they might crash a lot, but occasionally they'll put in a stunning drive, they have a fire and desire to do well, and as soon as they "click", there's no stopping them (Schumacher v1, Vettel etc.).

Having a relatively young team might be just what Williams needs, both drivers are hungry to prove themselves, they have a good engine (in theory) so all they have to do it build a decent car and they'll easily haul themselves off the back row.

It's not like the "going with experience over youth" approach has really been successful for anybody who's followed it has it?


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For all the talk about how Rubens experience would help the team, He's been there for 2 years & his experience doesn't seem to have helped a great deal.

Also I recall reading around the net over the years that Bruno gives pretty good technical feedback & is good at setting up a car, If thats true then Williams shouldn't be hurt a great deal by not having a more experienced driver.


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I really wonder how RedBull is going to perform.

Looking back at the history of F1, most of the time a team only wins the constructors championship 2 times in a row.

1980-1981 Williams
1982-1983 Ferari
1984-1985 McLaren
1986-1987 Williams
1996-1977 Williams
2005-2006 Renault
2007-2008 Ferrari

So if you go by that rule, Red Bull might have a less dominant year ahead.


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Let's hope.

5000th spam post, wooo


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Can't believe I've never seen this

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There's also one where they're doing a pitstop and get attacked by a bear.


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Let's hope.

5000th spam post, wooo


Nothing to brag about tbh, Gaara just got his 25,000th :p


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Shaddix wrote:
I really wonder how RedBull is going to perform.

Looking back at the history of F1, most of the time a team only wins the constructors championship 2 times in a row.

1980-1981 Williams
1982-1983 Ferari
1984-1985 McLaren
1986-1987 Williams
1996-1977 Williams
2005-2006 Renault
2007-2008 Ferrari

So if you go by that rule, Red Bull might have a less dominant year ahead.

Or a Ferrari 1999-2004 of course :p


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Shaddix wrote:
I really wonder how RedBull is going to perform.

Looking back at the history of F1, most of the time a team only wins the constructors championship 2 times in a row.

1980-1981 Williams
1982-1983 Ferari
1984-1985 McLaren
1986-1987 Williams
1996-1977 Williams
2005-2006 Renault
2007-2008 Ferrari

So if you go by that rule, Red Bull might have a less dominant year ahead.


Well an Adrian Newey designed F1 car never won three championships in a row, so...


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Echti wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
I really wonder how RedBull is going to perform.

Looking back at the history of F1, most of the time a team only wins the constructors championship 2 times in a row.

1980-1981 Williams
1982-1983 Ferari
1984-1985 McLaren
1986-1987 Williams
1996-1977 Williams
2005-2006 Renault
2007-2008 Ferrari

So if you go by that rule, Red Bull might have a less dominant year ahead.


Well an Adrian Newey designed F1 car never won three championships in a row, so...


... this year will be the first time.


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McLaren will be wearing white shirts this year, yet another change

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Echti wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
I really wonder how RedBull is going to perform.

Looking back at the history of F1, most of the time a team only wins the constructors championship 2 times in a row.

1980-1981 Williams
1982-1983 Ferari
1984-1985 McLaren
1986-1987 Williams
1996-1977 Williams
2005-2006 Renault
2007-2008 Ferrari

So if you go by that rule, Red Bull might have a less dominant year ahead.


Well an Adrian Newey designed F1 car never won three championships in a row, so...


Because they use new cars every season.


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Great to see Bruno at Williams. As much as I like Rubens, its great to see younger drivers given a chance.

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It's going to be strange not seing Rubens in the grid for 2012, I followed his career since his first GP in South Africa in 1993, I have almost all his races taped, and now it seems its over for him. He had a great time in F1, he deserved a proper goodbye celebration. However its nice to see Bruno there, its his chance to drive a whole season with a real team, not like HRT, I won't count Lotus as he came in the end of the year there. Williams with Renault engine can improve a bit, but it will be hard for them to develop the car with two young drivers, they needed an experienced one there, but nobody knows, maybe they can surprise us.

I was thinking today, how I miss the proper team presentations, all the lights and media over it, it was like a show, now they just get the car into the test track and its that.


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When Rubens organized last December that event called "São Paulo Rally", with Mini Challenge cars in the former Corinthians stadium, I thought it was already a goodbye celebration attempt! Problem is, the Rally was perhaps the greatest fail of the year!

Tickets were unbelievably expensive (simply nobody went), all cars were not properly prepared for dirt race and all drivers invited, Tony Kanaan, Helio Castroneves, Moreno and several other drivers I can't remember right now ended up the event extremely ashamed of what they've just done, because nobody cared about it, it was poorly organized and Rubinho ended up with the WTF face...definetly that was not best goodbye party...

I think Rubinho deserved some kind of FIA homage, you know, something like a trophy written "I never gave up!" :lol:


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Good for Senna i think Williams will bounce back this year with all the changes.
Rubins should go to Indy or Nascar he could win there , he also hss a home in FL.
looking forward to testing,hopfully RedBull will be challenged.

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J.Morelli wrote:
I think Rubinho deserved some kind of FIA homage, you know, something like a trophy written "I never gave up!" :lol:
He just needs to sneak out the back door and hope nobody notices he got paid shit loads to under perform year after year.


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