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An interesting note, both Massa and Maldonado are managed by Nicolas Todt.

Just read some of the last pages with everyone discussing todays incidents, but what I asked myself:

Why is the attacking driver always being penalised? Monaco is a place where you almost can't overtake and if someone tries to, it always brings some risks with it. So when an overtaking manouvre @ Loews doesn't succeed it's the attacker who is at fault?

But if Rosberg turned in on Schumi the way Massa did on Lewis they would have crashed also. Schumacher did the same as what Lewis did, so what is it that Lewis did wrong there? Maybe they should penalise Schumacher as well for attacking. Rosberg was the one who prevented the crash, so Massa caused the collision.

What I want to say is that if Massa didn't try to block that bad after realising that he left some room for Lewis it wouldn't had to come to a collision. Maybe the blocking drivers can be at fault as well. If we do not realise that, they will block even more in the future and overtaking will be even harder when attacking drivers need to be affraid of getting a penalty for overtaking....

And the same with all of you complaining of a driver who is angry saying what is on his mind while all of you complain of drivers who only say what they are allowed to say. I like the reaction of Lewis, no fanboy whatsoever, but all drivers just need to do this more often...

Just my point of view :wave:

Gallie wrote:

Completely agree with you on all your points. :thumbsup:

Remember the days where drivers didn't get penalties for trying to overtake?

Author:	ryan86 [ Sun May 29, 2011 11:15 pm ]
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And only 13 more races left to have them out in.

Author:	LucasWheldon [ Sun May 29, 2011 11:16 pm ]
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9 - too bad FIA let them change the tires

Author:	LucasWheldon [ Sun May 29, 2011 11:19 pm ]
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Kobayashi - stormed through the field and managed to escape all the incidents if the tires didn't had changed top 3 driver would get my vote

Author:	Ospi [ Sun May 29, 2011 11:25 pm ]
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One thing is for sure, Hamilton knows how to entertain. Keep up the good work!

Author:	Whofan [ Sun May 29, 2011 11:27 pm ]
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9 - Would have been a 10 if there hadnt been the red flag which kind of ruined the chance of there being a truely epic finish

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Author:	Ospi [ Sun May 29, 2011 11:31 pm ]
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10, Vettel may have won but gosh darn it was entertaining.

Author:	Fish88 [ Sun May 29, 2011 11:31 pm ]
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Gaara wrote: An interesting note, both Massa and Maldonado are managed by Nicolas Todt. I guess he went crying to his daddy.

Author:	Ospi [ Sun May 29, 2011 11:33 pm ]
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Button for me. Would have loved to see him really attack the last 10 laps. Oh well.

Author:	Misterfreeman87 [ Sun May 29, 2011 11:56 pm ]
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Gallie wrote: Just read some of the last pages with everyone discussing todays incidents, but what I asked myself: Why is the attacking driver always being penalised? Monaco is a place where you almost can't overtake and if someone tries to, it always brings some risks with it. So when an overtaking manouvre @ Loews doesn't succeed it's the attacker who is at fault? But if Rosberg turned in on Schumi the way Massa did on Lewis they would have crashed also. Schumacher did the same as what Lewis did, so what is it that Lewis did wrong there? Maybe they should penalise Schumacher as well for attacking. Rosberg was the one who prevented the crash, so Massa caused the collision. What I want to say is that if Massa didn't try to block that bad after realising that he left some room for Lewis it wouldn't had to come to a collision. Maybe the blocking drivers can be at fault as well. If we do not realise that, they will block even more in the future and overtaking will be even harder when attacking drivers need to be affraid of getting a penalty for overtaking.... And the same with all of you complaining of a driver who is angry saying what is on his mind while all of you complain of drivers who only say what they are allowed to say. I like the reaction of Lewis, no fanboy whatsoever, but all drivers just need to do this more often... Just my point of view Completely agree with you on all your points.

Author:	De Cesaris fan [ Mon May 30, 2011 12:09 am ]
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Remember the days where drivers didn't get penalties for trying to overtake?

Author:	Soul Reaver [ Mon May 30, 2011 12:12 am ]
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Misterfreeman87 wrote: Gallie wrote: Just read some of the last pages with everyone discussing todays incidents, but what I asked myself: Why is the attacking driver always being penalised? Monaco is a place where you almost can't overtake and if someone tries to, it always brings some risks with it. So when an overtaking manouvre @ Loews doesn't succeed it's the attacker who is at fault? But if Rosberg turned in on Schumi the way Massa did on Lewis they would have crashed also. Schumacher did the same as what Lewis did, so what is it that Lewis did wrong there? Maybe they should penalise Schumacher as well for attacking. Rosberg was the one who prevented the crash, so Massa caused the collision. What I want to say is that if Massa didn't try to block that bad after realising that he left some room for Lewis it wouldn't had to come to a collision. Maybe the blocking drivers can be at fault as well. If we do not realise that, they will block even more in the future and overtaking will be even harder when attacking drivers need to be affraid of getting a penalty for overtaking.... And the same with all of you complaining of a driver who is angry saying what is on his mind while all of you complain of drivers who only say what they are allowed to say. I like the reaction of Lewis, no fanboy whatsoever, but all drivers just need to do this more often... Just my point of view Completely agree with you on all your points. Yeah, both points. Michael is a genius, Lewis a retarded jerk. LMAO And about drivers, or people saying what they think, the only time I feel offended by someone saying what they think about motorsports are when I read the topics at TBK. And that happens a lot. If Hamilton is a jerk for saying what he thinks. There are a lot of jerks over here aswell.

Author:	Soul Reaver [ Mon May 30, 2011 12:14 am ]
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De Cesaris fan wrote: Remember the days where drivers didn't get penalties for trying to overtake? Lol at your avatar.

Author:	Whofan [ Mon May 30, 2011 12:24 am ]
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De Cesaris fan wrote: Remember the days where drivers didn't get penalties for trying to overtake? Good times. Nowadays the stewards are just a bunch of jobsworths who feel obliged to get involved every time someone makes the slightest contact with another car

Author:	ryan86 [ Mon May 30, 2011 12:34 am ]
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Everything in this world is ruled by jobsworths. Last week, after buying a baked potato from one of the restuarants in a food court, I took a bottle of water out my shopping bag and started to eat my lunch. One of the table cleaners walked over and told me that I couldn't drink the water as only stuff bought from the outlets could be consumed in the food court. Now I had walked upstairs with a complete meal from osmewhere I'd agree, but that's the annoying petty stuff annoys me. Another thing is the constant need for people to be sacked/heads roll whenever any incident comes up. Yes, some people aren't up to the job and probably need moved on, but at the same time there's also usually competent people in the job already, they may have made a mistake, but as long as they learn from the mistake, you need not give themwhat they want.

Author:	StefMeister [ Mon May 30, 2011 1:00 am ]
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On the Red flag tyre changes & car repair Its funny sometimes how people complain about these sort of rules only after it affects a race in a way they don't like. Tyres have been changed under red flags before with no complaints from drivers/teams/fans & damaged cars have been repaired under red flags before, Montoya & R.Schumacher's rear wing's were changed at spa 2001 during the red flag for Burti's crash as JPM's was found to have cracked & nobody complained about it. I was flicking through the qualifying OnBoard just & despite Hamilton's comlaints I don't believe he was actually held up by Massa:

Author:	Coldtyre [ Mon May 30, 2011 1:15 am ]
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lol yeah, I think it was Alonso for being a couple hundred meters in front of him or something But seriously, the officials need to define "avoidable collision". Here's a hint: no overtaking allowed, ever. That's the best way to avoid a collision. Making a move is inherently dangerous and is totally avoidable by quietly staying behind. It's not like anyone wants to ram other cars and damage their wings, do they? But that is common sense and the stewards don't seem to have any.

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Author:	kals [ Mon May 30, 2011 1:05 am ]
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Regarding the Massa holding up Lewis in qualifying complaint, didn't Massa get someone penalised at Monza a few years back for an exact replica of what happened yesterday? Lewis didn't get held up by Massa, he was just in his immediate sight line.

Author:	Gaara [ Mon May 30, 2011 1:13 am ]
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Alonso at Monza when he was fighting Schummy for the title. Shockingly enough... As far as I remember, Massa didn't say anything, Ferrari went to their FIA buddies.

Author:	kals [ Mon May 30, 2011 1:15 am ]
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I know the details Gaara, was just pointing out the similarities. Neither driver was "impeded".

Author:	Coldtyre [ Mon May 30, 2011 1:19 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Driver of the Race - Monaco
Rogue vote for Hamilton because he was involved in half the action today and influenced the race more than any other driver. He was the direct or indirect cause of both the SCs today, and made the most obnoxious moves of the race. I thought it deserved a honorable mention.