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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:10 pm 
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Rubens gave away a WIN that he deserved since he had beaten Michael fair and square all through the weekend, and to have it taken away like that was truly unforgivable.


How did he beat him fair and square? There was no racing. He simply lead whilst Michael hung around behind him. It was a false pretence that was created.


eh, because he started on pole and pulled away to a comfortable margin during the entire race, even after the Safety car was brought out twice? And because Michael only managed to qualify 3rd and was unable to cope with the pace of Barrichello since the beginning?

Did you actually watch the race at all?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:12 pm 
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Fuji was great as I didn't watch it, so Shanghai sucked because I watched it. Meh. :lol:


I think it would be a great idea for you to go outside about 15 minutes before the race and have like a 2-hour walk.


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Oh jeez please. Sure I watched the race, and it's clear from a few other comments I wasn't the only person with the same opion. I'm not trying to have an arguement with you here Slyder, just trying to point out the obvious like a few other people have. Barrichello pulling away and Michael dropping back was basically false as both always knew that would never be the end result. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:19 pm 
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Oh jeez please. I'm not trying to have an arguement with you here, just trying to point out the obvious like a few other people have. Barrichello pulling away and Michael dropping back was basically false as both always knew that would never be the end result. :thumbsup:


Interesting, and probably so... but why wasn't Barrichello given the "call" at the Nurburgring?


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Very good point. He was given "the call" (that still makes me laugh, 11 years after Suzuka '97) but was told he could win the race. That is actually featured on the 2002 FIA Review video. Ferrari obviously didn't want to repeat of the outcry following Austria so used this a positive PR excercise.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:23 pm 
I think the US GP was more farcical than Austria that year tbh. Either it was a ridiculous attempt to even it up or Michael fucked up badly being an arrogant cock


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:27 pm 
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Dull race. Not worth getting up for.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:59 pm 
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I agree that the Indy case was even worse than the Austria one, especially since by that point in the season that controversy had blown over. The Indy finish not only reopened the wounds from Austria but also gave the impression Ferrari were just taking the p*** with everyone, over the last third of the season they were utterly rampant but stunts like Indy just deflected attention away from the awesome job they had done.

It's worth remembering the Nurburgring race occurred the week before an FIA hearing into the Austria debacle, so I wasn't surprised Ferrari declined to switch positions. Besides, MS wrapped up the title just two races afterwards (and with 6 races remaining) so had they switched at that race (to give MS extra points) the outcry would have been immense. Really the FIA rule was an ill-thought through way of appeasing the public long after the furore had subsided.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:04 pm 
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This race was a disgrace


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:33 pm 
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I agree, Indy 2002 was a massive fucking facepalm.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:34 am 
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Anyone bitching about Kimi moving over for Felipe on Sunday has got their head in the clouds. It was the sensible thing to do as the championship warranted it.



But it is illegal, and given how anal the stewards have been in 2008, would it be stupid to expect them to start enforcing the rules they actually have written down now?


I thought team orders were illegal, but if a driver chooses to help another by moving over on his own accord, then it's legal?


They didn't penalize McLaren for it at Hockenheim, so everyone really needs to STFU


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Has a team ever lost a championship they could have won by letting a driver finish behind his teammate who was not in a position to challenge? (I'm not counting Alonso/Hamilton or Piquet/Mansell as both drivers could have won the title.)


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:10 am 
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Has a team ever lost a championship they could have won by letting a driver finish behind his teammate who was not in a position to challenge? (I'm not counting Alonso/Hamilton or Piquet/Mansell as both drivers could have won the title.)


I think Regga finished 2nd behind Niki a couple of times in 1974, and would have therefore won the title if he'd been allowed to beat Niki, who was not in contention come season's end - Niki was the faster driver though, and they had no way of knowing that he would not end up in the running for the title.

I remember Emmo was pretty annoyed that Peterson was not asked to let him through at Monza in 1973, but as things turned out it wouldn't have affected the outcome.


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A similiar situation ocurred in 1999 when Eddie Irvine either let by or was forced to stay behind an ailing Schumacher in France. Had he gained a point there and got the extra two he would have got in Japan, he would have won the title by one point. Of course I don't think Schumacher was planning to smash his leg to smithereens a fortnight later.


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Michael being all happy until he realised the crowd's

Thought only me percepted that. :)


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No, we need the ones who can make correct decisions.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:40 am 
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ryan86 wrote:
Has a team ever lost a championship they could have won by letting a driver finish behind his teammate who was not in a position to challenge? (I'm not counting Alonso/Hamilton or Piquet/Mansell as both drivers could have won the title.)


All I can think of is Turkey '06, where Massa didn't let Schumacher through in the early stages, rather than waiting and then the SC came out and Alonso got ahead. It didn't really cost Schumacher the championship, but it did cost him a four poitn margin over Alonso into Monza.

Other than that, nothing.

I also heard Brundle say something intresting. No driver has won the championship at his home GP since Farina in 1950.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:16 am 
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Has a team ever lost a championship they could have won by letting a driver finish behind his teammate who was not in a position to challenge? (I'm not counting Alonso/Hamilton or Piquet/Mansell as both drivers could have won the title.)


All I can think of is Turkey '06, where Massa didn't let Schumacher through in the early stages, rather than waiting and then the SC came out and Alonso got ahead. It didn't really cost Schumacher the championship, but it did cost him a four poitn margin over Alonso into Monza.

Other than that, nothing.

I also heard Brundle say something intresting. No driver has won the championship at his home GP since Farina in 1950.

Depends on whether or not you count Andretti as an Italian


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