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Did McLaren actually protest? It sounded to me like the stewards called them in.

In either case who protested, it seems that at the stewards room McLaren/Hamilton hided the true story that they let Trulli past, there is no way at the time Trulli would have known what Hamilton and Haug told at the press. Cheap trap from them.

Agree.

He should be back in 3rd man. McLaren told Hamilton to let him pass so what could Trulli do with a slowing Hamilton but take his place back? The story would be different if Trulli had forcefully taken it back. McLaren in this case simply f'd up since they should've told Hamilton to stay in front.

I agree with xxxx, if the driver in front is told to let someone through under the SC, that team then should not be allowed to complain to the stewards about their mistake. It's highly unfair on Trulli to be put back to 12th and should be reinstated to 3rd. McLaren should just take it like men and admitted they goofed up, Trulli shouldn't be punished for their mess.

The penalty is ridiculous. Like the other one, too.
Trulli should be 4th or 3rd but not +25 sec. He left the track so Hamilton took his position. He then slowed down to let him pass again. No one knows why it's Trulli's fault then.

If Hamilton's admitted the team told him to allow Trulli to pass him, how can the stewards give a penalty let alone uphold it? That's utter BS.

McLaren didn't know a rule that worked in their favour, so they ordered Hamilton to let Trulli pass. Therefore Hamilton's 3rd place is definitely OK, but Trulli really should have been 4th. But then again FIA sets all the rules, so they had no option but to give Trulli 25 secs penalty since drive-through was out of the question with so few laps remaining. Toyota screwed this as well since they should have told Trulli to settle behind Hamilton.

not seeing the videos but its seems to me that hamilton overtook trulli (because he went off) and then later let him back passed (perfectly ok in my book)

but if trulli was simply gaining his place back he should not have been penalised - his appeal will most probs be won by the fia as always but if they want to appear fair then they will let trulli back to 3rd

so the upshot of it all is trulli will probably stay 12th or wherever and the fia will have another black mark against it (not that they care as they have all the money and run the sport)

just a question

as the hamilton overtake occured not on the lap the safety car was on is it legal??? - if that is legal did trulli repass hamilton on that same lap???

I think it was under Safety Car. It was deployed and the "SC" signs were shown by the marshalls.

If a driver leaves the track, as Trulli did, it is clear that he can be overtaken. The gravel is not part of the race track. If a driver decides to pit during safety car, the cars behind wont follow up in a line in order not to overtake and wait until the pit stop is over.

I understand that it is intended that there are no overtakings during safety car because such a move could risk marshalls and drivers. So passing Hamilton was a bad thing done by Trulli
(cars leaving the pits under Safety Car will join the race behind the driver that's infront of them).

Generally I really hate the penalty berserk runs of the race stewarts lately but if they had done their job right they were ought to punisch Trulli for going too fast under Safety Car and following that losing controll of his car at first and secondly for passing Hamilton.

What is the penalty for not adjusting the speed under Safety Car?

Whatever the case - the appeal will be thrown out. It's a drive through penalty. It cannot be appealed.

What can happen is the Race Director can take some real responsibility in races with new proposals by the teams. It's about time the Race Directing actually IMPROVED over recent seasons. It's been rather terrible the past two or three years. And it will kill someone one day. Need to shuffle that area up and get them back on their toes and in touch more with the race and the teams.

These types of circumstances should be dealt with in the race with a special team dealing with in-race complaints and queries passed on by drivers to their teams. They should be resolved during the race.

And they should follow the rules! They cannot give driver through penalties on non-measurable mistakes. This means for causing an incident on track. That has to be addressed POST RACE. This was outlined in 2003. Yet they continued to penalise mid-race.

I think all branches of the FIA need a big shake. Anyone in their pay books needs a shake up.

Yeah, I was wondering whatever happened to that. If punishments were given post-race, they could properly look at the incident and it would be subject to appeal in cases like this.

This is stupid. Even if the rules don't mention giving a one-position penalty to a driver, no one would have complained if they did so (except maybe the teams who finished behind Trulli, but that would be a cheap shot as they were clearly behind him on the track).

Shouldn't McLaren be penalized too then? For causing trouble in SC formation and setting positions themselves with no order from the marshalls?
I know there's no rule for it, I just want to say both teams made equal mistakes misinterpreting the rules.

Trulli should have been (and was) 3rd

I really dont understand how some people think on this forum....


HAMILTON CLEARLY TOLD HE LET TRULLI PASS HIM!!!!

What the Hell Trulli could have done???

I dont understand how u can't get this basic point...


TRULLI DIDNT PASS HAMILTON BY HIS OWN ... that would have been a different total matter and fully deserve a penalty...

Toyota accept Trulli time penalty

"Having considered recent judgements of the International Court of Appeal, it is believed any appeal will be rejected," said a Toyota statement."

just like usual - stupid fia

It's really easy:

Point one: Trulli deserves a penalty for not driving cautiously under safety car.
Point two: Hamilton derserves a team that understands the rules.
Point three: Race stewarts deserve a punch into their nuts for being such morons over and over again.

Now, please god, close this thread.

I think it has only just opened considering the case is under review by the FIA