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Do these changes...
Negatively affect your love of the sport? 74%  74%  [ 86 ]
Positively affect your love of the sport? 9%  9%  [ 10 ]
Make no change at all. 17%  17%  [ 20 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:17 am 
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Who had the Fairly Intelligent Apes avatar again? :lol: should be posted in the thread's first post IMO


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:47 am 
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Evenstar wrote:
Oh and just found this, Martin Brundle's view (he's for it)
http://www.crash.net/Formula+One/News/1 ... _a_go.html


What does he know. He never won a race :p


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:29 pm 
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I'm not totally against the change (I am totally against how it was conducted though. Let's change the rules just before we start, sounds like childrens playground) but what bugs me about his arguement and many others in favour of it is that somehow the perception is that drivers can/could "cruise" for 2nd or even 5th, or wherever they want to finish. It hardly works like that in any competition let alone F1, they still drive hard enough if they can go for the "comfortable eight points".

Though I agree the budget option in the rules is a far more serious and ridiculous change.


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xxxx wrote:
I'm not totally against the change (I am totally against how it was conducted though. Let's change the rules just before we start, sounds like childrens playground) but what bugs me about his arguement and many others in favour of it is that somehow the perception is that drivers can/could "cruise" for 2nd or even 5th, or wherever they want to finish. It hardly works like that in any competition let alone F1, they still drive hard enough if they can go for the "comfortable eight points".

Though I agree the budget option in the rules is a far more serious and ridiculous change.



a true winner like Massa, Raikonen of Hamilton probably must put more effort in forcing themself to settle for 2nd instead of driving like crazy trying to catch the guy in 1st.


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FOTA are questioning the decisions legally:
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21257.html

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FOTA questions FIA decision

Following the decision of the World Motorsport Council of the 17 March 2009 to change the way the drivers’ championship is awarded, the Teams gathered and unanimously agreed to question the validity of this decision.

FOTA had made a proposal that was carefully based on the results of a Global Audience Survey, which allowed listening to preferences of the public, and all the Teams firmly believe that these indications should be properly taken into account.

The amendment to the sporting regulations proposed by the World Motorsport Council was not performed in accordance with the procedure provided for by Appendix 5 of the Sporting Regulations and, as per the provisions of the article 199 of the FIA International Sporting Code, it is too late for FIA to impose a change for the 2009 season that has not obtained the unanimous agreement of all the competitors properly entered into the 2009 Formula 1 Championship.

Since the change to the scoring system unanimously agreed by the Teams and proposed to FIA did not receive approval of the WMSC, no change can occur in 2009, and the Teams wish to reaffirm their willingness to collaborate with the FIA in order to jointly define a new point system for the 2010 season within a comprehensive set of measures aimed at further stimulating the attractiveness of the F1 Sport.


Article on the same thing from AutoSport:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73809

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FOTA says points change is not valid

By Jonathan Noble Friday, March 20th 2009, 15:59 GMT

FOTA The Formula One Teams' Association has questioned the validity of the FIA's decision to impose a new points structure for this season.

The FIA announced on Tuesday that it would hand the world championship to the driver who scored the most wins in 2009. That decision was drawn criticism from several high profile figures, and FOTA now believes that the FIA is in fact not allowed to have made the change without the unanimous support of the teams.

In a statement issued on Friday, FOTA said that it hoped it could work together with the FIA for a new points structure to be put in place for 2010.

"Following the decision of the World Motorsport Council of the 17 March 2009 to change the way the drivers' championship is awarded, the Teams gathered and unanimously agreed to question the validity of this decision," said the statement.

"FOTA had made a proposal that was carefully based on the results of a Global Audience Survey, which allowed listening to preferences of the public, and all the Teams firmly believe that these indications should be properly taken into account.

"The amendment to the sporting regulations proposed by the World Motorsport Council was not performed in accordance with the procedure provided for by Appendix 5 of the Sporting Regulations and, as per the provisions of the article 199 of the FIA International Sporting Code, it is too late for FIA to impose a change for the 2009 season that has not obtained the unanimous agreement of all the competitors properly entered into the 2009 Formula 1 Championship.

"Since the change to the scoring system unanimously agreed by the Teams and proposed to FIA did not receive approval of the WMSC, no change can occur in 2009, and the Teams wish to reaffirm their willingness to collaborate with the FIA in order to jointly define a new point system for the 2010 season within a comprehensive set of measures aimed at further stimulating the attractiveness of the F1 Sport."

Appendix 5 of the F1 sporting regulations details how regulations can be changed in F1, while Article 199 of the International Sporting Code says that the FIA cannot make changes to the sporting regulations at this late stage without unanimous approval of the teams.

It says: "Changes to sporting rules and to all regulations other than those referred to in b) above are published at least 20 days prior to the opening date for entry applications for the championship concerned, but never later than 30 November each year.

"Such changes cannot come into effect before 1 January of the year following their publication, unless the FIA considers that the changes in question are likely to have a substantial impact on the technical design of the vehicle and/or the balance of performance between the cars, in which case they will come into effect no earlier than 1 January of the second year following their publication.

"d) Shorter notice periods...may be applied, provided that the unanimous agreement of all competitors properly entered for the championship or series concerned is obtained."


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:48 pm 
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hahaha this starting to look like an epic fail by the fia.

Or should we say epic fial :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:48 pm 
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FOTA :thumbsup:

I hope they can force their proposal.


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what a fial :lol:


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FIA wrote:

20/03/2009

On 17 March, the FIA World Motor Sport Council unanimously rejected FOTA’s proposed amendment to the points system for the Formula One Drivers’ Championship. The ‘winner takes all’ proposal made by the commercial rights holder (who had been told that the teams were in favour) was then approved.



If, for any reason, the Formula One teams do not now agree with the new system, its implementation will be deferred until 2010.


LOL :D
http://fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressr ... oints.aspx


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:05 pm 
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lol Max.

So, anyone for 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1?


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Yes, please.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:07 pm 
There is no better option than 12-9-7-5... for nowadays F1. If not this season, atleast it should be from 2010 onwards.


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FIA = FAIL! Image Image Image Eat that Bernie and Max! Image


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Anyone else expecting bernie asshole and mad max mosley opening their checkbooks trying to get the support of the FOTA tru bribes?


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Well done FIA. You have failed completely again further descending your organisation into a complete farce.


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Just read this on Autosport, what a cluster fuckup, least the teams are sticking to their guns together for a change.


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All teams should go on strike against this rule. I wonder how long it would take the FIA to recognize they are wrong.

As I said before, and mentioned by others, if you want to reward the winner, fine, just increase it to 12 points or so for the winner, leave all the rest as it is, but keep points being decisive to win the championship...


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FIA lol

that's really all that can be said about this


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the FOTA should now push ahead and gain a bigger influence in the daily running of Formla 1.
This is just another sign of incompetence by the FIA.


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