2011 Random F1 Discussion

Gabriel · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:53 am

Did they actually said "we are going to host IndyCar events"?

lmao

phil1993 · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:45 am

Lewis Hamilton wrote:

To all our supporters, ignore what u read in the papers today. My team will never give up & I WILL NEVER GIVE UP!!!! Bring on silverstone, ur support will make a world of difference to us. I'm going to the factory now to do all I can with our team. Lewis

Fair to say that the media are understandably frustrated at being blamed for reporting what he actually said yesterday.

Also, just one DRS zone at Silverstone. Down the Wellington Straight.

Omega · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:31 am

I hope there will be no DRS at the Kemmel straight in Spa.
The cars can pass without if they try, so with DRS they will fly past as if the other is standing still.

De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:36 pm

I'm only in favour of 2 zones if they decide to have 2 activation points (so that the car that has been overtaken can try and fight back). But yeah, Spa should be good without it. Maybe just have one zone on the start finish straight, or the run to Blanchimont.

kals · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:39 pm

phil1993 wrote:

Lewis Hamilton wrote:

To all our supporters, ignore what u read in the papers today. My team will never give up & I WILL NEVER GIVE UP!!!! Bring on silverstone, ur support will make a world of difference to us. I'm going to the factory now to do all I can with our team. Lewis

Fair to say that the media are understandably frustrated at being blamed for reporting what he actually said yesterday.

What did he say this time? I've seen / heard nothing of the post-race stuff.

RtN · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:46 pm

"It's finished really. In the sense of the title it's almost over."

Which it is, but then he had to go and retract it. Why prolong the inevitable?

Omega · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:38 pm

Because he is black. Ish.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:11 pm

You gotta love the finger
https://shop.sebastianvettel.de/de/Acce ... f910d5a88e

Another great Vodafone viral

gd49 · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:25 pm

De Cesaris fan wrote:

I'm only in favour of 2 zones if they decide to have 2 activation points (so that the car that has been overtaken can try and fight back). But yeah, Spa should be good without it. Maybe just have one zone on the start finish straight, or the run to Blanchimont.

Without the 2 zones I'm not sure there would have been any overtaking in Valencia at all - it seemed for most cars the 1st zone let them close up a bit, then the 2nd zone allowed them to make the move.

So on tracks where overtaking is non-existent, I think 2 zones is better than one, but on tracks where overtaking was already possible only 1 zone should be needed.

I think the FIA are still learning about DRS, and hopefully will become a bit more sophisticated about it's use - I wouldn't want to see it written off completely.

Gaara · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:41 pm

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92703

Gotta say I actually do agree with him about reliability.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:45 pm

Yeah, its a shame. Its because nothing is being pushed to the limits. Before 2008, drivers were on the ragged edge and so were the cars. But now race pace is so slow

micha · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:54 pm

Gaara wrote:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92703

Gotta say I actually do agree with him about reliability.

yeah....who didn't love races like the 99 European GP (@ Nurburgring) where one after the other topdrivers retired and we ended up with an unlikely win for Stewart GP and Johnny Herbert.
Or the 96 Monaco GP...3 finishers and Panis taking the win in a Ligier.

De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:56 pm

That's what happens when you have a limited number of engines and gearboxes, a rev limit, and 4,000,000 acres of tarmac run off at every corner. It's also difficult to make the cars harder to drive without technology going backwards. For example, I'd love to see a manual gearbox with a stick, but that won't ever happen. And doubling the braking distances would lead to better racing and more chances of making mistakes.

For me, tarmac run off (particularly at chicanes like the Bus Stop and at Monza) is one of the single biggest things to have ruined the racing. I don't care if it's a little safer. I want to see cars beached in gravel and dramatically changing the race, rather than running wide and losing a second. Trulli is right. Races need retirements.

Gaara · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:57 pm

Races should be tough on man and machine. Because of rules for parts lasting multiple races they don't push them like they used to. Teams can't experiment now, their engines are kept the same.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:00 pm

De Cesaris fan wrote:

That's what happens when you have a limited number of engines and gearboxes, a rev limit, and 4,000,000 acres of tarmac run off at every corner. It's also difficult to make the cars harder to drive without technology going backwards. For example, I'd love to see a manual gearbox with a stick, but that won't ever happen. And doubling the braking distances would lead to better racing and more chances of making mistakes.

For me, tarmac run off (particularly at chicanes like the Bus Stop and at Monza) is one of the single biggest things to have ruined the racing. I don't care if it's a little safer. I want to see cars beached in gravel and dramatically changing the race, rather than running wide and losing a second. Trulli is right. Races need retirements.

This.

Need more gravel.

Gaara · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:01 pm

De Cesaris fan wrote:

For me, tarmac run off (particularly at chicanes like the Bus Stop and at Monza) is one of the single biggest things to have ruined the racing. I don't care if it's a little safer. I want to see cars beached in gravel and dramatically changing the race, rather than running wide and losing a second.

The problem was that people moaned about cars retiring after going into the gravel. Yet the simplest thing they should have done was allow outside assistance to get them dragged out and back into the race. Just like they did with Schummy at the Nurburgring that one time.

De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:08 pm

Yeah. It'll put you way down the field, but still in the race. That's fair.

I was thinking about the Europe 99 race mentioned as an example. DC would have just gone wide on tarmac and carried on going. Fisi probably would have saved his spin as well. Suddenly Herbert is only 3rd. Maybe I just like the unpredictability. And if you've ever seen an F3 race or GP2 race from Monza's 2nd chicane since the tarmac... Why even have a corner?

Gaara · PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:11 pm

If they want tarmac paint a line, if a driver puts two wheels on or over it automatic 10 second stop go.

But knowing FIA it'd just end up another rule they can play favourites with...

ellis · PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:05 am

Gaara wrote:

If they want tarmac paint a line, if a driver puts two wheels on or over it automatic 10 second stop go.

But knowing FIA it'd just end up another rule they can play favourites with...

They didn't enforce the line on pit exit on Sunday.

Shaddix · PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:18 am

Gaara wrote:

De Cesaris fan wrote:

For me, tarmac run off (particularly at chicanes like the Bus Stop and at Monza) is one of the single biggest things to have ruined the racing. I don't care if it's a little safer. I want to see cars beached in gravel and dramatically changing the race, rather than running wide and losing a second.

The problem was that people moaned about cars retiring after going into the gravel. Yet the simplest thing they should have done was allow outside assistance to get them dragged out and back into the race. Just like they did with Schummy at the Nurburgring that one time.

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