Formula 1 Heineken Silver Las Vegas Grand Prix 2023

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:22 pm

1100th Grand Prix
Las Vegas Strip Circuit

Last race at Las Vegas

1982 - In a season finale of an unpredictable championship, Michele Alboreto claimed his first victory racing at the Caesar's Palace parking lot, in a race that saw Keke Rosberg crowned as F1 champion and the final F1 start for Mario Andretti.

Season standings
after round 20

Code:

DRIVERS
POS   DRIVER   NATIONALITY   CAR   PTS
1   Max Verstappen   NED   RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT   524
2   Sergio Perez   MEX   RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT   258
3   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   MERCEDES   226
4   Fernando Alonso   ESP   ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES   198
5   Lando Norris   GBR   MCLAREN MERCEDES   195
6   Carlos Sainz   ESP   FERRARI   192
7   Charles Leclerc   MON   FERRARI   170
8   George Russell   GBR   MERCEDES   156
9   Oscar Piastri   AUS   MCLAREN MERCEDES   87
10   Lance Stroll   CAN   ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES   63
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   ALPINE RENAULT   62
12   Esteban Ocon   FRA   ALPINE RENAULT   46
13   Alexander Albon   THA   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   27
14   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   ALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT   13
15   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   ALFA ROMEO FERRARI   10
16   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   HAAS FERRARI   9
17   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   ALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT   6
18   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   ALFA ROMEO FERRARI   6
19   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   HAAS FERRARI   3
20   Liam Lawson   NZL   ALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT   2
21   Logan Sargeant   USA   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   1
22   Nyck De Vries   NED   ALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT   0

CONSTRUCTORS
POS   TEAM   PTS
1   RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT   782
2   MERCEDES   382
3   FERRARI   362
4   MCLAREN MERCEDES   282
5   ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES   261
6   ALPINE RENAULT   108
7   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   28
8   ALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT   21
9   ALFA ROMEO FERRARI   16
10   HAAS FERRARI   12

Timetables
all times are local (GMT-8)

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THURSDAY 16th NOVEMBER      Local time

Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   18:00 - 20:00
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Track Tour   19:00 - 19:50
FIA   F1 Car Presentation   19:00 - 20:00
FORMULA 1   FIRST PRACTICE SESSION   20:30 - 21:30
Formula 1   Formula 1 Pirelli Hot Laps   21:45 - 22:25
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   21:45 - 23:30
Formula 1   Teams' Press Conference   22:00 - 23:00
Formula 1   Formula 1 Pirelli Hot Laps   22:30 - 23:10
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Track Tour   23:10 - 23:40
FORMULA 1   SECOND PRACTICE SESSION   00:00 - 01:00
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Track Tour   01:15 - 02:00
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   01:15 - 02:15

FRIDAY 17th NOVEMBER      

Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   18:00 - 20:00
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Track Tour   19:00 - 19:40
FORMULA 1   THIRD PRACTICE SESSION   20:30 - 21:30
Formula 1   Formula 1 Pirelli Hot Laps   21:45 - 22:25
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   21:45 - 23:30
Formula 1   Formula 1 Pirelli Hot Laps   22:30 - 23:10
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Track Tour   23:10 - 23:40
FORMULA 1   QUALIFYING SESSION   00:00 - 01:00
Formula 1   Press Conference   01:00 - 02:00
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   01:15 - 02:15
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Track Tour   01:30 - 02:00

SATURDAY 18th NOVEMBER
      
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   18:00 - 20:30
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Track Tour   19:45 - 20:15
Formula 1   Drivers' Parade   19:50 - 20:20
Promoter Activity   Pre-Race Show (Grid)   20:30 - 21:00
Formula 1   National Anthem   21:46 - 21:48
FORMULA 1   GRAND PRIX (50 LAPS OR 120 MINS)   22:00 - 00:00

this is the moment we've been waiting the whole season for, the master F1 shit show presented by F1 itself

De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:32 pm

I am a little excited for this race. Not sure if it's the unknown of a new track, or just anticipating the inevitable car crash that this event will be.

It's going to be cringe, isn't it?

micha · PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:40 pm

My gut says it will either be a boring non-eventful parade or we're watching a trainwreck in slow motion.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:45 pm

I hope they call Michael Buffer to present the drivers to the grid just like he did in Austin some years ago

now some pre-race facts because I know you guys love that

.1st race in western US since 1991 (US GP at Phoenix)

.1st race in Las Vegas since 1982 Caesar's Palace GP

.1st points paying GP to be held on a saturday since 1985 (South African GP)

.1st time since 1982 also that the US holds 3 different points paying GP
-last time was Italy in 2020

.2nd time a milestone race is a night race (first was 2008 Singapore GP, the 800th GP)

.Las Vegas also hosted the final ground effect F1 race until 2022 Bahrain GP

Soul Reaver · PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 4:49 pm

Omega · PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:52 pm

Time to race on the Las Vegas pig.

peterohanrahanrahan · PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:15 pm

Despite all the shenanigans going on in the background, lot of old men yelling at clouds level cynicism, I'm really looking forward to this.

And if it's shit, I'll be

anyway.

If you're in Melbourne, Sunday afternoon, head to the Imperial Hotel (Bourke Street), few F1 podcasts have got together to get a crowd and make an audience out of it.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:33 pm

Despite all the criticism, turning the Las Vegas Strip into a race track is a mighty fine achievement.

Schumifan · PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:35 pm

peterohanrahanrahan wrote:

Despite all the shenanigans going on in the background, lot of old men yelling at clouds level cynicism, I'm really looking forward to this.

Me too, F1 running down the Strip is fucking awesome and I don't know why there's so much cynicism surrounding it

amq55 · PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:03 pm

I'll judge it when I see it for myself.

Cartman · PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:11 am

I think we're neglecting to ask the really tough questions here?

Spoiler:

peterohanrahanrahan · PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:45 am

Cartman wrote:

I think we're neglecting to ask the really tough questions here?

Spoiler:

Quote:

“The race will be around the Sphere. So we're utilising their property. We will own all the advertising on the Sphere for the duration of the race for a fixed fee.

“We have bundled that into some [sponsorship] deals, and also sold advertising directly to parties during the race, which will defray part of our costs. It was a necessary cost for us, because we need to be on their land.

“But, in addition, it was a revenue opportunity for us to lease as I said, or sublease, the time on the Sphere.

Can the sphere please have a "Bernie says you shouldn't drive drunk" advertisement spinning around it

(I think the sphere looks amazing)

Juihi · PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:38 am

Despite it loosing millions, that sphere is pretty badass

Omega · PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:37 am

Schumifan wrote:

peterohanrahanrahan wrote:

Despite all the shenanigans going on in the background, lot of old men yelling at clouds level cynicism, I'm really looking forward to this.

Me too, F1 running down the Strip is fucking awesome and I don't know why there's so much cynicism surrounding it

Because this race makes absolutely clear that it is first about the money, second about the show, and only 7th or something about the racing.
So people who will watch it for the racing, fear that that aspect will be shit. It should be on top priority, in Vegas it won´t be. So who can get excited for that?

gkmotorsport · PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:24 am

Does my memory fail me, or did the final corner at Imola need to be reprofiled for F1 to avoid being the same sort of angle as the final corner here?

JJ · PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:28 am

gkmotorsport wrote:

Does my memory fail me, or did the final corner at Imola need to be reprofiled for F1 to avoid being the same sort of angle as the final corner here?

I think the difference is that in Imola you had a small strip of grass, so crashed cars would bounce back to the track. But here I think they will just slide along the wall like in oval if something happens. Also, I don't think the angle is exactly the same.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:09 pm

Cartman wrote:

I think we're neglecting to ask the really tough questions here?

Spoiler:

interesting, they put a chicane on that fast flowing corner so they can place another grandstand

funny that this could impact on tire temps

Soul Reaver · PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:10 pm

This tyre concerns are kinda freaking me out. There's a good chance that they could blow mid-straight. As the tarmac cools the surface of the tyre, but the high speeds warms the air pressure.

peterohanrahanrahan · PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:30 pm

Omega wrote:

Because this race makes absolutely clear that it is first about the money, second about the show, and only 7th or something about the racing.
So people who will watch it for the racing, fear that that aspect will be shit. It should be on top priority, in Vegas it won´t be. So who can get excited for that?

This circuit is wide as hell, 6km long and has 4 overtaking opportunities, what do you mean racing is the 7th thing on the priority list? It's arguably got the most overtaking opportunities on a race track in on street circuit we've ever raced on.

And F1 has always been about the money, they've had no problem excepting oil or blood stained money in the past, doesn't matter if its the US, Middle East or Australasia so why is Vegas any different?

Schumifan · PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:21 pm

Omega wrote:

Schumifan wrote:

peterohanrahanrahan wrote:

Despite all the shenanigans going on in the background, lot of old men yelling at clouds level cynicism, I'm really looking forward to this.

Me too, F1 running down the Strip is fucking awesome and I don't know why there's so much cynicism surrounding it

Because this race makes absolutely clear that it is first about the money, second about the show, and only 7th or something about the racing.
So people who will watch it for the racing, fear that that aspect will be shit. It should be on top priority, in Vegas it won´t be. So who can get excited for that?

What makes this particular race more about the money, and less about the racing, than any other new race introduced in the last 20 years?

Also don't understand the complaints about "the show". Should F1 be looking to introduce deliberately boring events?

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