Formula 1 Aramco United States Grand Prix 2022

gkmotorsport · PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:40 pm

LucasWheldon wrote:

JJ wrote:

Should have taken a lesson from Glen Dix

gotta love his technic, counter balancing the move with the other arm, full of elegance. Perhaps the great flagman in history

You have to wonder if he was the inspiration for the on-track flagman in GP2.

webbsy · PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:11 am

Schumifan wrote:

Philthy82 wrote:

So the unspoken takeaway here is the meatball flag should be self-policed by teams if race control doesn't show it. Hilarious.

I sure am glad FIA solved their real safety and race direction issues by firing that one guy. They're doing so much better without him.

They're doing worse if anything. There seems to be some kind of race control/stewarding idiocy every single race at the moment.

It is almost like it is a deliberate stitch up by the FIA over Massi. Get the most incompetent two guys we can (who by all accounts were ALREADY being questioned for their incompetent in other formulas before F1), so that they can say see, we did what you wanted and look how it turned out. OK, our turn, and then institute something even worse.

I still can't fathom how practically no one talked about Carlos Sainz overtaking under yellow at Zandvort when it was the most blatant thing imaginable. Was even on the world feed and replayed. @3:56

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:53 pm

now some time for some bonus stats

-5th constructor's world championship for Red Bull (6th overall behind Ferrari, Williams, McLaren, Mercedes and Lotus)

-33rd victory for Max Verstappen (also 6th overall with one more victory than Fernando Alonso)
-13th victory for Max Verstappen this year (ties all time record with Michael Schumacher [2004] and Sebastian Vettel [2013])
a small note here that the record is being equalized on a exact 9 year gap

-longest dry race to be held at CotA (8 minutes shorter than 2015 with 1h42m)

-3rd race in 2022 that Fernando Alonso loses spots after checkered on post race penalties

Omega · PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:09 am

Alonso has been given his 7th place back. What a relief.

But not because of the stupidity of the initial penalty. Not because of common sense. Simply because Haas protested 24 minutes too late.

Vassago · PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:23 am

It's a fucking shitshow anyway and Haas has every right to be pissed off. Next time any Haas driver gets the meatball flag I hope they ignore it and tell the stewards to suck my lolipop

Ospif1 · PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:00 am

You would think when it came to reviewing post race protests that the decision makers would have a list of their own rules in front of them. There's presumably a pretty big tick box next to "was the protest placed before the cutoff time?"

webbsy · PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:59 am

The reasoning of the reversal makes my head hurt.

Quote:

Its case centred on the decision to allow Haas to lodge a protest outside the 30-minute deadline, challenging the initial ruling that it had been “impossible” for Haas to do so.

According to the documents from the review hearing, Alpine sporting director Alan Permane argued that “the word “impossible” sets a very ‘high bar’ – the Oxford Dictionary defines it as being something that cannot happen or be achieved and that in this case, there was nothing preventing Haas from lodging the protest within the 30-minute deadline” as it could have done so with a handwritten protest.

Haas team manager Peter Crolla acknowledged that this was the case, and that his team would have done this “had it not been told by the FIA official in race control that it had an hour” to get its protest in.

The Mexican GP stewards accepted “the argument of Alpine that the word ‘impossible’ indeed sets a very high bar and that in hindsight, that very high bar was not met in this case” and that a handwritten protest could have been submitted in time, meaning Haas’s first protest was “not admissible” and the penalty decision “is rendered null and void”.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/alonso-g ... verturned/

So just to clear it up. Hass contacted race control, was told by an official in race control that they had one hour to lodge the protest and did. Said official gave them incorrect info, and was in fact not authorized to give it. Only for these stewards to say, hey a hand written note before 30 minutes would have done...........WTF????

The whole show is reaching clown levels of stupid. Seriously, what is going on behind the scenes?

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:02 am

The reason of reversal of the penalty is as bad as the penalty itself :lol:

micha · PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:17 am

pinnacle of clowning

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:44 pm

mclaren2008 wrote:

The reason of reversal of the penalty is as bad as the penalty itself :lol:

says pretty much about how stewards handle this stuff (and how Haas handle their off track stuff)

Sergio · PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:35 pm

I was thinking.. this shows that Masi was not the problem as a individual when it becomes aplying rules or being inconsistent.
The FIA as a organisation is a bloody mess by itself :slaphead:

codename_47 · PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:29 pm

Sergio wrote:

I was thinking.. this shows that Masi was not the problem as a individual when it becomes aplying rules or being inconsistent.
The FIA as a organisation is a bloody mess by itself :slaphead:

It was very clear at the time that he fucked up, but he fucked up because he had someone from the FIA in his ear that said "this race ends under green at all costs" and paniced and did things the rules didn't allow in his quest to get one last lap of green and have a spectacular finish to the season

The Charlie Whiting era fia were the exact opposite, they would bend over backwards to be pure, to the point of not putting out the Safety Car when they should multiple times in their quest to not be like Indycar or NASCAR in their use of the SC as entertainment

This era is the exact opposite, they'll bend their own rules if it means more excitement and drama.

I'm not sure which is worse. The 8 year old me would love this era of more excitement and drama in the races, particularly when he had to sit through whole entire seasons with less action than an individual race these days, but the line has to be drawn somewhere....

Fabs · PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:54 am

Sergio wrote:

I was thinking.. this shows that Masi was not the problem as a individual when it becomes aplying rules or being inconsistent.
The FIA as a organisation is a bloody mess by itself :slaphead:

Of course he wasn't the issue, only a really easy scapegoat.
Imo he made racing more entertaining, with or without orders from above.
Quick SC's, lot of red flags with restarts which are artificial yes, but sure were entertaining.

Too bad Abu Dhabi happened, he would still be doing a great job.

Coldtyre · PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:20 am

Sergio wrote:

I was thinking.. this shows that Masi was not the problem as a individual when it becomes aplying rules or being inconsistent.
The FIA as a organisation is a bloody mess by itself :slaphead:

To be fair this almost always the case. Unless you have someone blatantly and deliberately acting maliciously, which is rare, the organisation will always be responsible for the outcome of their employees. Either through communicating the wrong values, lack of control, insufficient training. Airlines and plane manufacturers understood this very well at some point, and learned that blaming human error without further investigation doesn't get you anywhere in terms of improving your structure as a whole.

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