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Which team do you think will have the upper hand with the new regs?
Poll ended at Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:52 pm
Mercedes 26%  26%  [ 11 ]
Red Bull 17%  17%  [ 7 ]
Ferrari 19%  19%  [ 8 ]
McLaren 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
Alpine 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
Alpha Tauri 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Aston Martin 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Williams 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Alfa Romeo 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Haas 10%  10%  [ 4 ]
Total votes: 42
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:36 pm 
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micha wrote:
havent seen this here but apparently a new angle of the 1989 Prost/Senna collision popped up.
Based on this you'd expect Prost to be handed the DQF.



Wow, I'd always read that Prost turned in on him, but I never realised it was so blatant. Professional foul by the Professor.


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Oh god, I made the mistake of looking at the comments. There are still people trying to defend Prost...



Youtube science proves that it's still Senna's fault :lol:


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Never mind the lines that don't reflect the trajectory, this is the first time I see a chicane refered to as a "double radius" corner :lol:


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Coldtyre wrote:
If Brundle was commenting that one:
"That didn't work Alain, that didn't work. You hit the wrong part of him of my friend."

This angle also shows that Senna was fully in control. He had enough grip to be able to turn in an attempt to avoid contact. He would've made the corner, maybe a little deep, but he would've made it. It's crazy, given how far back he's coming from.


I don't even think people would've thought Senna was coming from so far back, our eyes and brains are just used to 21st century braking distances which are a lot, lot shorter but back then you could divebomb from a lot further back (and indeed, had to due to less efficient brakes) and succeed in passing

The great irony is Senna is the one that got DSQ for "cutting the track" when Prost is the one deliberately trying to shortcut behind the chicane :p

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Coldtyre wrote:
Never mind the lines that don't reflect the trajectory, this is the first time I see a chicane refered to as a "double radius" corner :lol:


I particularly like the assumption that the angle of the cars at the beginning of the video never changes after that point, and so the end position can somehow be assumed from there :roll:


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I can see now why Senna was so keen to get his own back a year later. Out of interest, does anyone know where this new angle has surfaced from? Was it an angle that was only shown on Japanese TV or something? It's been said on here several times before, but it's amazing how all these years later new angles of old incidents seem to keep emerging


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back in the day broadcast in Japan was made by Fuji TV so they might had any other cameras recording but not being used by TV direction

plus they might had put others because the championship was boiling just like 2021

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I remember seeing this angle before somewhere, so not really new. Just not as iconic as the usual shot they show which is more close up and appealing to look at.

Just opened f1tv for the first time this year and saw they've uploaded 9 episodes of Jolyon Palmer analysis of classic races. Great stuff and worth a watch. The usual analysis program is one of my favorite programs on f1tv, and the classics are just as good. I'm only on episode 3 of 9, they're covering some of the most iconic races with a guest who was in that race. Recommended watch in these boring off season days.


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LucasWheldon wrote:
back in the day broadcast in Japan was made by Fuji TV so they might had any other cameras recording but not being used by TV direction

plus they might had put others because the championship was boiling just like 2021


Fuji Tv used to release their own VHS's of the Japanese GP with all their extra camera angles. Of course they focused a lot on Japanese drivers, but I remember when I first moved there in 2004 I got the 1995 race and they had a camera on the inside of Jean Alesi's spin which looked much more dramatic. I don't know when they stopped doing them, but they were interesting.

They would be pretty hard to come by nowdays. But they used to also have extended onboards like this one.



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nice, they always had some good stuff

In Brazil exclusive cameras were used only to showcase broadcast sponsors

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... n/7246778/

if they don't go through the usual FIA bulshit, then Masi will be on thin ice

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LucasWheldon wrote:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-releases-update-on-abu-dhabi-f1-gp-investigation/7246778/

if they don't go through the usual FIA bulshit, then Masi will be on thin ice


FIA wrote:
"The outcome of the detailed analysis will be presented to the F1 Commission in February and final decisions will be announced at the World Motor Sport Council in Bahrain on 18 March.


If the stories are true and Hamilton is looking to the outcome of this investigation to decide whether or not to retire, they have effectively pushed his decision back to Friday practice in round 1 :whistling:


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there are whispers that Merc is demanding Masi to be fired and Lewis' decision is also based on that.

Gonna be a game of chicken. See who budges first.

tbh, it would be a terrible thing if the FIA budges to that demand.


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micha wrote:
there are whispers that Merc is demanding Masi to be fired and Lewis' decision is also based on that.

Gonna be a game of chicken. See who budges first.

tbh, it would be a terrible thing if the FIA budges to that demand.


Indeed. Now that would call the entire legitimacy of the sport into question.


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The timing is superb. Whoever organised that has knocked Mercedes and Hamilton into a cocked hat.

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no matter how Mercedes tried, FIA is still a bunch of old snakes ready to bite

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If Mercedes/Toto is really applying this sort of pressure they might have actually saved Masi's job.

If they kept quiet until the actual investigation was done Masi would most likely be out.


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I fully expect the FIA to come out with strong generic statements like....after a thorough analysis....talking to stakeholders....putting in safeguards....etc etc.

Then proceeded to say that all is fine and well, Masi is an outstanding person, these are unwarranted attacks on his character and the public is mis informed from certain elements of the press, and that Masi is the best man for the job.

They will point out in the rules that Masi has done nothing wrong. They will focus on the final race and NOT on his entire tenure which has been littered with horrible, horrible mistakes (hello Turkey 2020 starting qualifying while there was still a recovery vehicle on track, letting Leclerc drive an entire racing lap with his belts undone and NOT doing anything about it, taking NO action what so ever about Lance Stroll driving around at very high speeds under safety car in Imola 2020 while there was a Marshall in the middle of the track, waiting an absolute age to throw the safety car and red flag in Baku when there were cars in the middle of the track at the fastest point of the track). These are just off the top of my head.

In short, the FIA will blame all and sundry except themselves.

But even if Masi doesn't get the boot, his position at race weekends will be almost untenable, when half of the paddock thinks you shouldn't be there and will put everything you do and say under a microscope. How can you possibly command the respect of the paddock?


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Pretty sure Masi has a job for this year, it was announced a few weeks ago his job was confirmed for 2022.


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Yes, I personally expect him to be here in 2022, but I would think that they might have someone or some procedures waiting in the wings for 2023 where he could quietly take another position in the FIA.

I mean it isn't a very good look for the FIA when the biggest talking point over the off season is about whether or not your Race Director will be there.

Also I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere, but is what Tiff Needel says @1:10 in this video been reported any where else? Ross Brawn and Pat Symonds are both leaving the FIA at the same time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3loS9p9NZes&t=971s


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