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Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
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Author:  LucasWheldon [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
Circuit Zandvoort
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Past races at this track

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1980 - A suspension failure caused a big air for Derek Daly in Tarzan. Nelson Piquet won

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1983 - A bad move for the lead from Alain Prost took him and championship rival Nelson Piquet out late in the race. René Arnoux won.

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1985 - Niki Lauda held off Alain Prost brilliantly to win for the last time, also the final Dutch GP until this season.

Season standings
after farcical round 12
Code:
DRIVERS
POS   DRIVER   NATIONALITY   CAR   PTS
1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   MERCEDES   202.5
2   Max Verstappen   NED   RED BULL RACING HONDA   199.5
3   Lando Norris   GBR   MCLAREN MERCEDES   113
4   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   MERCEDES   108
5   Sergio Perez   MEX   RED BULL RACING HONDA   104
6   Carlos Sainz   ESP   FERRARI   83.5
7   Charles Leclerc   MON   FERRARI   82
8   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   MCLAREN MERCEDES   56
9   Pierre Gasly   FRA   ALPHATAURI HONDA   54
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   ALPINE RENAULT   42
11   Fernando Alonso   ESP   ALPINE RENAULT   38
12   Sebastian Vettel   GER   ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES   35
13   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   ALPHATAURI HONDA   18
14   Lance Stroll   CAN   ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES   18
15   George Russell   GBR   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   13
16   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   7
17   Kimi Räikkönen   FIN   ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI   2
18   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI   1
19   Mick Schumacher   GER   HAAS FERRARI   0
20   Nikita Mazepin   RAF   HAAS FERRARI   0

CONSTRUCTORS
POS   TEAM   PTS
1   MERCEDES   310
2   RED BULL RACING HONDA   303
3   MCLAREN MERCEDES   169
4   FERRARI   165
5   ALPINE RENAULT   80
6   ALPHATAURI HONDA   72
7   ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES   53
8   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   20
9   ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI   3
10   HAAS FERRARI   0


Timetables
all times are local (GMT+2)
Code:
Thursday 2nd SEPTEMBER        
Formula 1   Press Conference   12:30 - 16:00
Promoter Activity   Circuit Tour   15:00 - 17:00
Promoter Activity   Pit Lane Tour (Ticket Holders Only)   15:00 - 18:00
Paddock Club   Track Tour/Grid Photo & 'F1 Live On The Grid' Setup    17:00 - 19:00
F1 Experiences   F1 Experiences 'F1 Live On The Grid'   19:00 - 21:00
         
Friday 3rd SEPTEMBER        
Promoter Activity   Showteam   09:15 - 09:25
FIA Formula 3   Practice Session   10:05 - 10:50
Formula 1   First Practice Session   11:30 - 12:30
W Series   Practice Session   12:55 - 13:25
Formula 1   Press Conference   13:00 - 14:00
Promoter Activity   Porsche Demonstration   13:30 - 13:40
FIA Formula 3   Qualifying Session   13:50 - 14:20
Formula 1   Second Practice Session   15:00 - 16:00
Promoter Activity   Showteam   16:05 - 16:20
FIA Formula 3   Press Conference   16:05 - 16:35
W Series   Qualifying Session   16:30 - 17:00
Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup   Practice Session   17:25 - 18:10
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Track Tour/Grid Photo   18:15 - 18:45
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Tour   18:15 - 18:45
         
Saturday 4th SEPTEMBER        
Promoter Activity   Showteam   09:15 - 09:45
Formula 1   Pit Stop Practice   09:20 - 09:40
FIA Formula 3   First Race (24 Laps or 40 Mins)   10:35 - 11:20
FIA Formula 3   Press Conference   11:40 - 12:00
Formula 1   Third Practice Session   12:00 - 13:00
Promoter Activity   Showteam   13:05 - 13:35
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Track Tour/Grid Photo   13:05 - 13:35
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Tour   13:05 - 13:35
Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup   Qualifying Session   13:45 - 14:15
Formula 1   Qualifying Session   15:00 - 16:00
Formula 1   Press Conference   16:00 - 17:00
Promoter Activity   Showteam   16:05 - 16:20
W Series   Race (30 Mins + 1 Lap)   16:30 - 17:10
FIA Formula 3   Second Race (24 Laps or 40 Mins)   17:55 - 18:40
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Track Tour/Grid Photo   18:45 - 19:25
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Tour   18:45 - 19:25
FIA Formula 3   Press Conference   19:00 - 19:30
F1 Experiences   F1 Experiences (Champions Club) Track Tour/Grid Photo   19:30 - 20:10
         
Sunday 5th SEPTEMBER
     
Promoter Activity   Showteam   09:20 - 09:50
FIA Formula 3   Third Race (24 Laps or 40 Mins)   10:45 - 11:30
Promoter Activity   Showteam   11:35 - 11:45
FIA Formula 3   Press Conference   11:50 - 12:20
Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup   Race (16 Laps or 30 Mins)   12:10 - 12:45
Promoter Activity   Porsche Demonstration   12:50 - 13:15
Formula 1   Drivers' Parade   13:20 - 13:50
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Track Tour/Grid Photo   13:20 - 13:50
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Tour   13:20 - 13:50
Promoter Activity   Showteam   13:20 - 13:50
Formula 1   'We Race As One' Gesture   14:43 - 14:44
Formula 1   National Anthem   14:44 - 14:46
Formula 1   Grand Prix (72 Laps or 120 Mins)   15:00 - 17:00


so Verstappen GP at the Verstappendrome. Surely he will not win this one
Author:  Omega [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
Track better be damp with light rain every 30 minutes, followed by dry periods so everyone is always on the wrong tyre. We deserve it after Spa.
Author:  JJ [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
What a relief the next GP weekend comes right away. Makes you forget the travesty at Spa.

For a long time, I've dreamed F1 to return either in Brands Hatch or Zandvoort. Now that Zandvoort has become a reality, maybe my other dream will come true as well? The best thing is that they didn't have to butcher the track, as we always fear when someone suggest F1 should race at certain Grade 2/3 circuit. Maybe FIA could allow Brands Hatch to happen with similar changes as Zandvoort? Who knows.

Just like Suzuka, Zandvoort is a real "driver's track". While it may not provide much overtaking, the challenge is real and it's great to see wide F1 cars take those sweeping, undulating corners. Can't wait for the first full onboard laps. And just like Suzuka, any room for error is minimal. I wouldn't be surprised if much of the practice time will be eaten by red flags. So even if it stays fully dry (not certain atm), I expect pretty busy and eventful weekend.
Author:  Chris A [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
Kinda sad they decided to bank the final corner. Seems like it would have been a lot more exciting to leave it flat.

Having a hard time seeing this being a track good for racing but it's gonna be fun to watch F1 cars ripping around this place nonetheless.
Author:  pimmy [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
JJ wrote:
What a relief the next GP weekend comes right away. Makes you forget the travesty at Spa.

For a long time, I've dreamed F1 to return either in Brands Hatch or Zandvoort. Now that Zandvoort has become a reality, maybe my other dream will come true as well? The best thing is that they didn't have to butcher the track, as we always fear when someone suggest F1 should race at certain Grade 2/3 circuit. Maybe FIA could allow Brands Hatch to happen with similar changes as Zandvoort? Who knows.

Just like Suzuka, Zandvoort is a real "driver's track". While it may not provide much overtaking, the challenge is real and it's great to see wide F1 cars take those sweeping, undulating corners. Can't wait for the first full onboard laps. And just like Suzuka, any room for error is minimal. I wouldn't be surprised if much of the practice time will be eaten by red flags. So even if it stays fully dry (not certain atm), I expect pretty busy and eventful weekend.

No. Leave Brands Hatch alone. It was bad enough that we nearly lost Donington.
Author:  racefan [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
I'm very curious to see what line they're going to be running in T3. The general consensus in other series, from club-racing to the GT's and single seaters, has been that the highest possible line is the fastest. It's unconventional and will be cool to see, and who knows it might open up a passing opportunity (even though I don't really think so with these cars)
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Author:  Fabs [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
Chris A wrote:
Having a hard time seeing this being a track good for racing but it's gonna be fun to watch F1 cars ripping around this place nonetheless.

Yeah that's my feeling as well, but I'll leave my verdict for Sunday.

Also: it might rain lmao
Author:  Gabriel [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:48 pm ]
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Fabs wrote:
Also: it might rain lmao


DON'T YOU EVEN
Author:  De Cesaris fan [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
Really excited to see F1 cars around here. Hopefully the s/f straight will be long enough to give us some passing into the first corner.
Author:  micha [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
I honestly have no idea how the race will go but I am excited to finally have a Dutch GP again and even one where a Dutch driver can actually win.
Also excited that I have my kids this weekend so we can watch together (although they probably go play after the start)
Author:  Vassago [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
De Cesaris fan wrote:
Really excited to see F1 cars around here. Hopefully the s/f straight will be long enough to give us some passing into the first corner.


I don't think it will be. F1 cars are way too heavy and need a longer straight than this. Sadly I think this will be a Catalunya 2.0 boredom.
Author:  pending [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
Vassago wrote:
De Cesaris fan wrote:
Really excited to see F1 cars around here. Hopefully the s/f straight will be long enough to give us some passing into the first corner.


I don't think it will be. F1 cars are way too heavy and need a longer straight than this. Sadly I think this will be a Catalunya 2.0 boredom.


Do you have anything positive to say about this sport and its drivers? Not trolling, serious question.
Author:  codename_47 [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
Vassago wrote:
De Cesaris fan wrote:
Really excited to see F1 cars around here. Hopefully the s/f straight will be long enough to give us some passing into the first corner.


I don't think it will be. F1 cars are way too heavy and need a longer straight than this. Sadly I think this will be a Catalunya 2.0 boredom.


As long as they get to the green flag next weekend, I'll take it

There might be some interest as a brand new track with nothing in their data banks when it comes to tyre wear/engine life or anything like that usually throws up SOMETHING

And yeah, there might be the RIGHT amount of rain for once eh
Author:  Vassago [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
pending wrote:
Vassago wrote:
De Cesaris fan wrote:
Really excited to see F1 cars around here. Hopefully the s/f straight will be long enough to give us some passing into the first corner.


I don't think it will be. F1 cars are way too heavy and need a longer straight than this. Sadly I think this will be a Catalunya 2.0 boredom.


Do you have anything positive to say about this sport and its drivers? Not trolling, serious question.


I said this about Zandvoort last year before the original comeback GP was cancelled. This track IS Catalunya 2.0. It won't produce any exciting racing even with DRS IMO.

Have you actually seen any races at the Zandvoort circuit lately? Or are you another of the recency bias fan who doesn't remember anything beyond the last 3-4 years. Hell, I read people wanting Magny Cours on F1 calendar back too.
Author:  pending [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
Vassago wrote:
Or are you another of the recency bias fan who doesn't remember anything beyond the last 3-4 years

You're cute.

I'm not suggesting this will the be the best race in years, I'm just saying it's a new track, and maybe, just maybe, we should all be a little exited about it.

And no, I am not a 'recency bias' fan, but all you do is bitch and moan about every series and driver, from Colton Herta being a spoiled brat to your hate towards Russel. Everything typed from your keyboard is negativity. Why not watch another sport?
Author:  racer612008 [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
Zandvoort is gonna suck, but it's still 1000 times better than any of the other new/proposed tracks for F1 or any of the newer FIA mandated Tilkedromes (Tilke gets a bad wrap tho imo, he has designed a few good tracks, just shit gets bland when FIA/FIM boxes him in.)
Author:  Vassago [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
pending wrote:
Vassago wrote:
Or are you another of the recency bias fan who doesn't remember anything beyond the last 3-4 years

You're cute.

I'm not suggesting this will the be the best race in years, I'm just saying it's a new track, and maybe, just maybe, we should all be a little exited about it.

And no, I am not a 'recency bias' fan, but all you do is bitch and moan about every series and driver, from Colton Herta being a spoiled brat to your hate towards Russel. Everything typed from your keyboard is negativity. Why not watch another sport?


Neah, I'm done with the "new" stuff excitement by default. Been watching F1 for over 30 years so I'm not gonna bite on "maybes" anymore. I've actually watched DTM and F3 on the new Zandvoort and it won't be pretty in F1.

I don't moan about everything, BTCC BOP rules and George Russell happen to be on my negative podium though :lol: It stands out so much because most TBK users seem mesmerized by them instead. People have different opinions and mine on Russell and BOP is simply in minority but that doesn't mean I'll join the majority ;)
Author:  mclaren2008 [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
the fanboys will be out in force like never before
Author:  codename_47 [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
It'll be cool watching them deal with a banked corner at least

Who knows if Pirelli can handle it though :whistling:
Author:  westracing01 [ Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2021
Tire failures will be the order of the day and the race canceled on safety grounds...
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