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They still did it, and they got all 44 laps in as well.

And we got a massive pile up where we were lucky no one got badly injured.

We nearly got an aeroplane crash between Fisi and Nakano and he could have ended up in the trees.
But yes it was fine and could have been okay today, but you could have ended with bad things. Motorsport is dangerous I know, but if you can make a choice, you make a choice that doesn't involve this much risk.

Even back then, Rubens and Ginacarlo scolded the race direction for not using the safety car at the start and when visibility went down to literally zero. Villeneuve lost it on the kemmel straight and they didn't even throw a double yellow.

Crazy times

Don't forget also that those cars are also massively different from the ones in F1 today.


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This result benefits max btw. Engine barely ran so can last longer


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Fabs wrote:
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They looked just as bad as 1998 imo, but it was a crazy decision to race back then as well.


They still did it, and they got all 44 laps in as well.

And we got a massive pile up where we were lucky no one got badly injured.

We nearly got an aeroplane crash between Fisi and Nakano and he could have ended up in the trees.
But yes it was fine and could have been okay today, but you could have ended with bad things. Motorsport is dangerous I know, but if you can make a choice, you make a choice that doesn't involve this much risk.


Have you actually watched F1 in 1998? Like in person? Or you're just applying 2021 social rules to what happened a quarter of century ago? Horses & bayonets much? :p

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They (FIA, Pirelli) seriously need to fix racing in the wet/ice now. Or forget to race in Europe.

Weather like that is happening more and more often nowday (we saw snow in Europe in May if i remember correctly, and it can happen during a race weekend too). So what's going to happen ? Cancel the whole race weekend ?


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We nearly got an aeroplane crash between Fisi and Nakano and he could have ended up in the trees.
But yes it was fine and could have been okay today, but you could have ended with bad things. Motorsport is dangerous I know, but if you can make a choice, you make a choice that doesn't involve this much risk.


was watching that crash yesterday, one of Fisico's tires went rolling into the pitlane. Could had hit someone not paying attention

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Fabs wrote:
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They looked just as bad as 1998 imo, but it was a crazy decision to race back then as well.


They still did it, and they got all 44 laps in as well.

And we got a massive pile up where we were lucky no one got badly injured.

We nearly got an aeroplane crash between Fisi and Nakano and he could have ended up in the trees.
But yes it was fine.


The pile-up could have been averted with a rolling start - not sure why they didn't do that then when they had done it a year ago. And the rear warning lights are much brighter than they used to be, so the risk of unsighted collisions is lower.

I suppose the point I want to make is that the conditions are only part of the story. The loss of monsoon tyres hasn't helped and in general this generation of drivers have absolutely no risk perception either.

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Toto87 wrote:
They (FIA, Pirelli) seriously need to fix racing in the wet/ice now. Or forget to race in Europe.

Weather like that is happening more and more often nowday (we saw snow in Europe in May if i remember correctly, and it can happen during a race weekend too). So what's going to happen ? Cancel the whole race weekend ?


Good point, but when do they actually get to properly test the wet weather tires? With winter testing being in a warm climate, I'm not sure how many opportunities they actually get other than those ad-hoc 18" tire tests this year.


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This result benefits max btw. Engine barely ran so can last longer


Sort of. He also lost out on a fairly likely 12.5 points


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Fabs wrote:
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And we got a massive pile up where we were lucky no one got badly injured.

We nearly got an aeroplane crash between Fisi and Nakano and he could have ended up in the trees.
But yes it was fine and could have been okay today, but you could have ended with bad things. Motorsport is dangerous I know, but if you can make a choice, you make a choice that doesn't involve this much risk.

Even back then, Rubens and Ginacarlo scolded the race direction for not using the safety car at the start and when visibility went down to literally zero. Villeneuve lost it on the kemmel straight and they didn't even throw a double yellow.

Crazy times

Don't forget also that those cars are also massively different from the ones in F1 today.

I feel that they handled rainy tracks better, especially in slow corners. The way these cars handled La Source yesterday, and Sergio's crash today, look comical


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Toto87 wrote:
They (FIA, Pirelli) seriously need to fix racing in the wet/ice now. Or forget to race in Europe.

Weather like that is happening more and more often nowday (we even saw snow in Europe in May if i remember correctly, and it can happen during a race weekend too)


In the last decade every weather that is too much for intermediate tires is deemed too bad. Tires are not the issue, FIA being scared of rain is. They put all that astroturf nonsense and Jules Bianchi's death made them shit their pants. Funny how such a deluge was never an issue at Sepang where they had gravel instead of tarmac.

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I feel that they handled rainy tracks better, especially in slow corners. The way these guys handled La Source yesterday, and Sergio's crash today, look comical


might also have something to do with lack of proper wet track time for drivers who can barely drive on dry roads

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Btw, is this the first race to have more cars finishing than starting?


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Btw, is this the first race to have more cars finishing than starting?


No, because Perez did not miss the start.

The only F1 race to have more participants than starters is the 1977 German GP.

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Btw, is this the first race to have more cars finishing than starting?

There was a German driver in the 1970s who got a DNS, DNF and DSQ in the same race. He lured the officials and got his car on track during the race after having been prohibited from taking the start. Edit: cf. @
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It's close, but this seems to be a first indeed.


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I remember 98 well and thats what I was getting at. I didn't think the conditions were any worse then that. I think the tires not working worth a damn is the real issue.

It's not even so much they can't test proper wet weather tires, I thought it was more the teams won't go out and test in the wet.


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This thread has been mostly enjoyable. This race has brought TBK together. It's beautiful. See you guys at the Mad Max demolition derby in a week


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Credit to Lewis for being the only one of the top three to actually call BS on this farce. I don't usually like his attitude but he was 100% right with his opinion of Race Control.

Plus, no F1TV Post Race?

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As and F1 fan, its a big slap to my face and to fans at the track, waiting 3 hours to drive 2 laps behind SC, this tops more than Indy 2005 farce, but yes there is one thing that i can and will accept, sure there was no racing today but all these pepole have still have their health, and lives, no injuries or crashes happened, and i will sure take that to know that i will see all those pepole next weekend again on tv when the conditions are hopefully better, than somenone got seriously hurt in an accident.


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Agreed on Lewis. I'm a big critic of him, but he had the right of it as far as the situation was concerned.

"I hope the fans get their money back." Damn straight Lewis.


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