Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2021

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 4:58 pm

Baku City Circuit

Last race at this track

In another race filled with incidents, a tangle between Kvyat and Ricciardo after an overtake attempt saw both cars stranded to retire. Valtteri Bottas won

Season standings
after Round 5

Code:

DRIVERS
POS   DRIVER   NATIONALITY   CAR   PTS
1   Max Verstappen   NED   RED BULL RACING HONDA   105
2   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   MERCEDES   101
3   Lando Norris   GBR   MCLAREN MERCEDES   56
4   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   MERCEDES   47
5   Sergio Perez   MEX   RED BULL RACING HONDA   44
6   Charles Leclerc   MON   FERRARI   40
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   FERRARI   38
8   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   MCLAREN MERCEDES   24
9   Pierre Gasly   FRA   ALPHATAURI HONDA   16
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   ALPINE RENAULT   12
11   Sebastian Vettel   GER   ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES   10
12   Lance Stroll   CAN   ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES   9
13   Fernando Alonso   ESP   ALPINE RENAULT   5
14   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   ALPHATAURI HONDA   2
15   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI   1
16   Kimi Räikkönen   FIN   ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI   0
17   George Russell   GBR   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   0
18   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   0
19   Mick Schumacher   GER   HAAS FERRARI   0
20   Nikita Mazepin   RAF   HAAS FERRARI   0

CONSTRUCTORS
POS   TEAM   PTS
1   RED BULL RACING HONDA   149
2   MERCEDES   148
3   MCLAREN MERCEDES   80
4   FERRARI   78
5   ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES   19
6   ALPHATAURI HONDA   18
7   ALPINE RENAULT   17
8   ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI   1
9   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   0
10   HAAS FERRARI   0

Timetables
all times are local (GMT+4)

Code:

THURSDAY 3rd JUNE        
Formula 1   Press Conference   13:30 - 17:00
         
FRIDAY 4th JUNE        
FIA Formula 2   Practice Session   10:25 - 11:10
Formula 1   First Practice Session   12:30 - 13:30
Formula 1   Press Conference   14:00 - 15:00
FIA Formula 2   Qualifying Session   14:30 - 15:00
FIA Formula 2   Press Conference   15:30 - 16:00
Formula 1   Second Practice Session
16:00 - 17:00
         
SATURDAY 5th JUNE        
Formula 1   Team Pit Stop Practice   10:10 - 10:30
FIA Formula 2   First Race (21 Laps or 45 Mins)   11:25 - 12:15
FIA Formula 2   Press Conference   12:35 - 13:05
Formula 1   Third Practice Session   13:00 - 14:00
Formula 1   Qualifying Session   16:00 - 17:00
Formula 1   Press Conference   17:00 - 18:00
FIA Formula 2   Second Race (21 Laps or 45 Mins)   17:40 - 18:30
FIA Formula 2   Press Conference   18:50 - 19:20
         
SUNDAY 6th JUNE
     
FIA Formula 2   Third Race (29 Laps or 60 Mins)   12:45 - 13:50
FIA Formula 2   Press Conference   14:10 - 14:40
Formula 1   Drivers' Presentation   14:10 - 14:50
Formula 1   'We Race As One' Gesture   15:43 - 15:44
Formula 1   National Anthem   15:44 - 15:46
Formula 1   Grand Prix (51 Laps or 120 Mins)   16:00 - 18:00

is it too soon to call Baku the F1 version for Dega?

Karan · PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 5:04 pm

Really looking forward to this one. One of the most entertaining starting laps on the entire calendar IMO.

De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 6:23 pm

I love this track but always feel that it has the potential for a monster accident, or just lots of Safety Cars and stupidity (See the F2 races). Hopefully we get an eventful and safe race.

MotoKris1 · PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 6:29 pm

Same. I'm always worried for the restarts here with that monster straight...

Bleu · PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 8:56 pm

ziomkris96 wrote:

Same. I'm always worried for the restarts here with that monster straight...

It's similar track to Mugello in regards of timing line being after cars typically have long acceleration already. So leading driver can't floor it early. And as the rule is, once you've floored it, you can't back up anymore. That's what caused Matsushita to be banned for one event back in 2016 in GP2.

Chris A · PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 9:07 pm

Castle!

EAS · PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 10:21 pm

Baku is good

codename_47 · PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 10:27 pm

Bleu wrote:

ziomkris96 wrote:

Same. I'm always worried for the restarts here with that monster straight...

It's similar track to Mugello in regards of timing line being after cars typically have long acceleration already. So leading driver can't floor it early. And as the rule is, once you've floored it, you can't back up anymore. That's what caused Matsushita to be banned for one event back in 2016 in GP2.

I still think this rule needs changing to an Indycar style restart zone because not only is their danger but the leader weaving his car trying to dummy the car behind for about a minute down a long straight while the marshals are waving green flags to indicate it's fine to race again looks stupid, as much as anything else

If I was the leader though I wouldn't be backing off so much, I'd gun it early, let the car behind get a good tow off me then laugh as they realise they can't pass until the start finish line and have to back off themselves.
Even better if they fuck up and pass me and get a penalty.

But yeah, this track has given us 2 crazy races and 2 dull ones, and even one of the crazy races was pretty dull until the SC came out
So it seems it needs a SC to be somewhat interesting, but the action switch goes straight from "zzzzzzz" to "WTF HOLY SHIT" with nothing in between

Karan · PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:31 pm

codename_47 wrote:

Bleu wrote:

ziomkris96 wrote:

Same. I'm always worried for the restarts here with that monster straight...

It's similar track to Mugello in regards of timing line being after cars typically have long acceleration already. So leading driver can't floor it early. And as the rule is, once you've floored it, you can't back up anymore. That's what caused Matsushita to be banned for one event back in 2016 in GP2.

I still think this rule needs changing to an Indycar style restart zone because not only is their danger but the leader weaving his car trying to dummy the car behind for about a minute down a long straight while the marshals are waving green flags to indicate it's fine to race again looks stupid, as much as anything else

If I was the leader though I wouldn't be backing off so much, I'd gun it early, let the car behind get a good tow off me then laugh as they realise they can't pass until the start finish line and have to back off themselves.
Even better if they fuck up and pass me and get a penalty.

But yeah, this track has given us 2 crazy races and 2 dull ones, and even one of the crazy races was pretty dull until the SC came out
So it seems it needs a SC to be somewhat interesting, but the action switch goes straight from "zzzzzzz" to "WTF HOLY SHIT" with nothing in between

Wouldn't work because with the tow they'd be easily glued to your gearbox down the entire straight and have you into T1. And if you defended the inside of T1, your exit would be compromised and they'd just have you into T2.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:47 pm

Karan wrote:

codename_47 wrote:

Bleu wrote:

It's similar track to Mugello in regards of timing line being after cars typically have long acceleration already. So leading driver can't floor it early. And as the rule is, once you've floored it, you can't back up anymore. That's what caused Matsushita to be banned for one event back in 2016 in GP2.

I still think this rule needs changing to an Indycar style restart zone because not only is their danger but the leader weaving his car trying to dummy the car behind for about a minute down a long straight while the marshals are waving green flags to indicate it's fine to race again looks stupid, as much as anything else

If I was the leader though I wouldn't be backing off so much, I'd gun it early, let the car behind get a good tow off me then laugh as they realise they can't pass until the start finish line and have to back off themselves.
Even better if they fuck up and pass me and get a penalty.

But yeah, this track has given us 2 crazy races and 2 dull ones, and even one of the crazy races was pretty dull until the SC came out
So it seems it needs a SC to be somewhat interesting, but the action switch goes straight from "zzzzzzz" to "WTF HOLY SHIT" with nothing in between

Wouldn't work because with the tow they'd be easily glued to your gearbox down the entire straight and have you into T1. And if you defended the inside of T1, your exit would be compromised and they'd just have you into T2.

Yeah but to double down on my point based on things I wish would happen in my head with no proof or science behind it, the car pushing from behind would be as close as an F1 car could get to a Bump draft like NASCAR, pushing it slightly away from the car behind

And TBF the 2nd place car would be under attack from 3rd and it'd be like a giant BIG ONE in Turn 1.

JJ · PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:40 am

If all street circuits were like Baku, I wouldn't be against them. But usually they bear a resemblance to Sochi or Valencia (like future Miami track), which is why I strongly prefer traditional circuits. But yeah, Baku is good. My only real complaint is that the risk of rain is always 0%. Maybe they should try October slot, after Russian round, to allow less predictable conditions. They would need to bring the start time forward due to earlier sunset though.

Definitely expecting better race than what we had in Monaco, at least in terms of overtaking. Nevertheless, there have Monegasque snoozers here, so one cannot have too high hopes. Anyway, three F2 races should provide plenty of action even if F1 doesn't.

trout · PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:37 am

yeah, a crash in 18 & 19 would be bad. max speed, no visibility, and no runoff - could easily see what happened to hubert at spa happen there

Coldtyre · PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:09 am

It's a SAFER barrier, so it will not catch and stop the car dead like in Hubert's crash. It would be like an oval crash, the car would slide along the wall and the others further behind would avoid it, or if they're too close they'd collide with lower speed differential. It's as blind and as dangerous as the tunnel at Monaco, maybe 30-40kph more speed but the track is wider and the turn is more forgiving for an F1 car's downforce.

Those kind of turns are some of the rare spectacular places we still have left on F1 tracks, where you can fully appreciate the cars' speed and grip, in an ocean of soul-less empty wide turns devoid of any character on most other tracks on the calendar. They would be pointless if they were painted on the tarmac like at Paul Ricard.

In other news, I found this funny picture:

cookie · PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:37 am

Don't like the track, the good races here even weren't that good. Just because it had lots of incidents doesn't make the racing good. Driving it in the games is also a chore, just plain boring to drive. Don't understand why the track is considered good.

But I hope to be proven wrong and we get the first good race on this track this weekend.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:33 am

Coldtyre wrote:

It's a SAFER barrier, so it will not catch and stop the car dead like in Hubert's crash. It would be like an oval crash, the car would slide along the wall and the others further behind would avoid it, or if they're too close they'd collide with lower speed differential. It's as blind and as dangerous as the tunnel at Monaco, maybe 30-40kph more speed but the track is wider and the turn is more forgiving for an F1 car's downforce.

Those kind of turns are some of the rare spectacular places we still have left on F1 tracks, where you can fully appreciate the cars' speed and grip, in an ocean of soul-less empty wide turns devoid of any character on most other tracks on the calendar. They would be pointless if they were painted on the tarmac like at Paul Ricard.

In other news, I found this funny picture:

don't let NASCAR see that image, that's what they want with the package

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:16 pm

might have something to be with that turkish flag on the building. They're paying a homage by emulating Istanbul traffic

Baku is one of those tracks they should try double file restarts to see how well F1 drivers will behave

Karan · PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:47 pm

Scotty wrote:

I'm always scared by turns 18-19, on F1 2019 I've had like 5-10 humungous crashes there, I know it's probably easier in an F1 car than a G29/simulator but a small failure or one guy not giving room could be catastrophic. They're already doing 280kmh through there.

Agreed, a multi-car crash there could be catastrophic.
T15 also scares me quite a bit here as the approach speed is really high and if the car were to lose it prior to the braking zone, there's little to no run-off (if you miss that escape road).

De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:21 pm

This was one of the scariest moments (at 4:20). Magnussen either had zero awareness or chose to defend like a moron.

sennadesillva · PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:41 pm

De Cesaris fan wrote:

This was one of the scariest moments (at 4:20). Magnussen either had zero awareness or chose to defend like a moron.

Both?

lol

Gaara · PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:47 pm

Definitely both. Defending like a moron, having no awareness at just how much space he was giving.

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