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Lol this isn't true at all. You're just making shit up now, it's getting sad.

What happens on race day barely effects the development of the car.

Lol this isn't true at all. You're just making shit up now, it's getting sad.

What happens on race day barely effects the development of the car.

Firstly, Toto Wolff is the last person to listen to as he is the most biased person in this argument. Of course he's going to support his driver.

Also, racist, ok where did that come from? What evidence have you got that I'm racist?

One of my closest friends, who I know through this forum, who I've been friends with for 10+ years, who've I've let stay at my house in Australia, is Finnish. Mika Hakkinen is one of my favourite drivers. I dated a Brazilian for 7 years. I speak 3 languages. I dated a South American for 7 years. I've been to two world cups, visited 30 countries yet I'm racist?

I have no hatred for Finnish people but you know who I don't like? Pathetic, sad trolls, who say incredibly dumb shit then throw a tantrum and accuse you of being racist, weak minded, moronic when their thin, flimsy, factually incorrect arguments fall flat.

Also, I've noticed you've given Lewis Hamilton as emasculating nickname, that's borderline racist (not going to call you racist, last time I did you had the ultimate internet tantrum and threatened to sue me like a 5 year old in a school yard would.

By the way, don't ever change. Because your posts are great entertainment. Make me feel so much smarter than I probably am.

Just as a side note, I don't think anyone suggesting anyone else is racist should have any place on this forum. Hope we've still got mods around that agree.

Racists usually aren't that selective. Maybe because he's from Aland I've made an exception?



Race was never implied. Nationalism isn't racism. I don't like Kimi because I find him rude, not because he's Finnish. Even in the drive to survive documentary, the producer asks him to do a clap for the audio/video timing and he says "that's your job", that just makes him look like an asshole. People might find that unique or an endearing character quirk, but I didn't.

I don't have anything against Bottas, as a personality I like him. I like his "to whom it may concern" stuff. I just don't rate him. I think he's mediocre at best.



You've stamped yourself by using it.

I never attacked you, I disagreed with you and you took it personally. As a matter of a fact, I never even quoted you. I said "some members need to put their nationalism aside", then gave an example for how I've done it.

I would say it was Bottas fault, cuz there is an comparison of the incident and Hamiltons overtakes during late stages, and i see when they get past the pit exit, there is a pit exit line in the middle of the track. The one you should not cross when coming out of pits.
While Bottas crosses it a bit (yeh there is still room for 2 cars, but its tight)
While when Hamilton was overtaking none of his opponents crossed the line.
You can see clearly from Raikkonen onboard that Bottas was more to the right than to the left when Russel was next to him

Now, one thing that I would like to point out and that has nothing to do with Russell or Bottas is that this race was proof that the precautions taken at wet races are valid. It wasn't soaking the out lap had Schumacher massively understeering and Alonso crashing, Leclerc spun on the formation lap, Kimi spun under SC and Max almost lost it at the restart of the race. These cars are very tricky to drive in the wet.

Talk to Ocon about being Mercedes next leading light and then when you finally show your potential, there's no room for you

It isn't massively sinister, sometimes there's just no room at the inn

Remember how Stoffel Vandoorne looked like McLaren's next Lewis, dominated the ladder series, then when he got to the top, McLaren were shit and there was no-where else for him to go
Same for Kevin Magnussen really, underwhelming in a Haas was no compensation for how good he looked when he was coming up through the ladder series.

F1 definitely needs more cars in the field. Even someone like Albon would benefit keeping race fit in a Manor or whatever else might turn up at the back of the grid rather than sitting on the sidelines, and the more seats there are on the grid, the more chances for young drivers to get into the sport.

Just make a rule that the old guys have to be gone by 40 and you'll get the grid refreshing enough (sorry Kimi )

This is a really good take on the incident and it actually changes my mind. I respect Scott Mansell's analyses as a driver and coach, he always has very good insights.

It's also clever how he did the video with a fan friend of his, because I feel like I am that fan (I had the same 60-40 responsibility split against Bottas in my mind) but Scott's arguments as a driver are compelling and Russell possibly came to the same realisation after settling down.

2) the passing car can't be held responsible for failing to forsee he might not have enough grip on the car's width the leading car chooses to leave him. What if instead of a wet track it was a dry lane with a slow lapper 100 feet up the road? At what point is the leading car responsible for forcing the passing car into an accident? I still think the accident is 100% Bottas's fault by any reasonable assessment, but also that F1 has never had a reasonable assessment of fair racing.