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funny that the next race has all that stuff we want and nothing will happen because the drivers know is almost impossible to pass at Imola

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Here's the clip of Crofty saying Mazapin is out because of "suspected crashing out problems" (not my upload)
https://streamable.com/f001p6

My solution is: Always use the short track here.

Bypasses the turn 4 issue completely and is a better track, to boot

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Saw a video of Tsunoda driving almost into Perez's vacant grid slot after the extra formation lap, before reversing into his own grid slot. Thought there was some sort of automatic penalty for reversing on the starting grid, or is that no longer the case?

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Nope. If you reverse and stop in the correct grid spot before red lights come on, you are fine.

Wehrlein had the same problem in Austria 2016:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/wehr ... 76/795476/

I guess people are still thinking about getting the wrong spot the Fisichella way?

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To make that big a change to every relevant corner across 23 tracks that also need to appease multiple other 4 and 2-wheel series? Pretty hard I'd say...



I'm on board with this as more realistic than changing all the tracks, but it comes with its own complications. Should cars be immediately penalized, or be given a number of warnings? Penalizing a driver immediately for something that might be an honest accident with no advantage gained will leave a bad taste in a lot of mouths. If they're given X warnings what's to stop every team keeping a mulligan up their sleeve for an off-track pass when they need it? And how do you consistently police when a driver chooses to go off and when they're forced off? Even last night was marginal. Keep in mind you're asking for the exact thing people have been asking NASCAR to drop for 15 years now.

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I'm surprised someone hasn't invented a reeaallyy thick and dense astro turf. One that won't cause a car to dig in and go over, but one that will most definitely stifle any advantage. Hell can even be painted to what ever colour the track likes.

That way you appease the "its all about safety" crowd and appease us "put a bloody barrier in there" crowd. Win win.

Wait...you think astro turf is dangerous but are then advocating some sort of wall instead? Ummm okay....

I suggest a cliff.

Spikes.

I'd say go full retro and use hay bales

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Super Mario Kart had the right idea about run-off areas already in 1992. Occasional oil slicks would also be welcomed.

well in 1992 pretty much all the tracks F1 ran had runoff areas like that

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Penalise them immediately imo, for precisely the reason you mentioned - to stop teams keeping one up their sleeve. If someone gets penalised for locking up then tough, they'd still be losing less time than if they were stuck in a gravel trap. It's like the penalties for barrier contact in Gran Turismo - you lose a bunch of time by stuffing it in the wall, then you get an extra penalty to simulate the time you would have lost if the game had a damage model. I think the only way to do it is to make it a blanket rule, it may not be perfect but surely it'd be better than the constant controversy and inconsistencies we have now? These are meant to be the best drivers in the world, start penalising them consistently and they'll quickly learn where the track limits are.

As for drivers getting forced off, my thinking has always been the same - would the driver doing the forcing still have all their wheels attached if they tried the same stunt at Monaco? If the answer is no, they forced the other driver off.

Another solution would be to reintroduce competent race direction. Pirro (the driver steward) stated in an interview that Masi did tell Mercedes to tell Hamilton to stop running wide at turn 4...after he had already done it 29 times.

Which, at 0.2 seconds a go, gives Hamilton nearly 6 seconds of unfair advantage, all because the race director is not up to the job.

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Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

How many other drivers did it though.

other thing to notice is that him running wide could had given less load on the tires, which is a greater advantage than of time gain

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Hamilton was reportedly the worst "offender" (not his fault, he was exploring a grey area) and the only one to be warned. Masi's note to the drivers said that they could run wide at the exit of that corner, but only if you do not gain an advantage by doing so.

Of course, the only reason you would run wide is because it gains you an advantage.

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When I go karting and do something that is not allowed, like hitting another kart, the system automatically slows me down for a couple of seconds. How difficult can it be to use that without doubt very high tech technology in F1?