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just saw that the Philip Morris man behind the Marlboro sponsorships, John Hogan, passed away from covid aged 74

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westracing01 wrote:
I imagine everything up to Monaco will be canceled or rescheduled. Monaco is the best case scenario timewise for having enough people vaccinated to even contemplate an actual crowd in the stands.

Real world scenario is more likely sometime in September for North America/Europe to have enough people vaccinated. But that assumes that we get to 70%+ vaccination rate. I'm not so sure we (the USA) are going to get there. Our European brethren might make it though. There are far too many idiots in my beloved homeland for me to have any hope of normalcy until probably spring of 2022.

I don't see what vaccinations have to do with it, we had a 2020 season without a vaccine.

As long as a country accepts that the entire F1 circus can enter and if necessary stay in a bubble during the weekend, a lot of races can take place.


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I'd tell the teams that they need to enter a bubble a couple of weeks prior to the GP.

Fuck, have pre-season testing in Melbourne, ship them cars now!


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I'd tell the teams that they need to enter a bubble a couple of weeks prior to the GP.

Fuck, have pre-season testing in Melbourne, ship them cars now!


3 days of pre-season testing at Sandown, 2 days at Phillip Island.

Fact is countries will give exceptions to avoid quarantine, Australia definitely won't.

1 team member getting ill cancelled the whole GP last year, later in the year drivers were getting ill and they weren't cancelling shit.


F1 and hypocrisy???? Noooo....never....

Throw in the fact the quite a few people in the travelling paddock also got it and they were like nope...show goes on, despite the fact that they were saying they would take a strong stance if someone within the bubble got it. $$$$$ baby.

But ohhhh F1 testing at Phillip Island would be TASTE!


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Back in March, we knew much less about the illness, most of people had no masks/gel and didn't know precisely the transmission conditions. Moreover, we didn't have testing. I can understand the effect of a few contaminated people being less on how the business operates, and it's been the same outside of F1. It's very wise to update the protocols as evidence and knowledge is updated, the opposite would be stupid, why follow a protocol/statement made back then, with what we know now?

I don't think we will be allowed back to mass events, or even without masks/distancing anywhere, just because we just got a shot at some point this year. I would wager that there should be no more spectators this year than 2020, until a year passes on vaccination and we have more feedback on immunity. Maybe this bastard needs a yearly booster, who knows.


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if that happened on Bernie years he would had a great deal with the russians to vax all the people involved even before the start of actual vaccination

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How long can this continue without fans in the stands? I guess that's my question. Yes they got 2020 in with a schedule thrown together on the fly, but how many seasons can they go doing that before tracks just close up shop?


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westracing01 wrote:
How long can this continue without fans in the stands? I guess that's my question. Yes they got 2020 in with a schedule thrown together on the fly, but how many seasons can they go doing that before tracks just close up shop?



Only the "questionable" venues can survive. Zandvoort canceled because they need the crowd and is now pushed later in the season with the hope to have a crowd. It will be canceled if there wont be a crowd.

I assume the same for venues like Spa, Monza, Silverstone.


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How long can this continue without fans in the stands? I guess that's my question. Yes they got 2020 in with a schedule thrown together on the fly, but how many seasons can they go doing that before tracks just close up shop?


I should have went to last years Austrian GP, but with no fans allowed they offered me a refund or they give me tickets for 2021 race, if there will still be no fans allowed this year im gonna get a refund for sure


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Portugal in April is usually pretty wet, even down south.


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as the old saying from Portugal "mês de abril, águas mil"

as seen on the 1985 race when Ayrton got a good display

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Maybe we could end the season in Melbourne, instead of Abu Dhabi.


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Scotty wrote:
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How long can this continue without fans in the stands? I guess that's my question. Yes they got 2020 in with a schedule thrown together on the fly, but how many seasons can they go doing that before tracks just close up shop?


Can continue for ages.

The money races generate from the fans is miniscule compared to the TV money. It's billions vs. millions territory.

We can continue on at permanent circuits until this all blows over.

Street circuits don't work without fans though.


I think the point was the circuits themselves

I remember an interview with whoever was running silverstone about 10 years ago in the Bernie era that F1 takes from them all the main ways they can make money out of the race, the tv money, the sinage, the corporate sponsor deals, that all goes into Bernie's back pocket
The only way the race makes money (And Bernie's philosiphy was you should LOSE money on the GP then charge your other clients more for the prestige of racing at a Grand Prix venue) is from the gate.
And only the extra crowd generated from the "Lewis effect" (and maybe Jenson too but he only mentioned Lewis) pushed the weekend out of the red after a few lean years when Jenson wasn't in compettitive machinery and Lewis was in the ladder formulae (Sorry DC, you don't shift tickets!)

So F1 might be fine, but will Silverstone? Will Hungary? Spa? Or indeed any circuit not owned by some sort of investment portfolio , government write off or arab consortium? :?

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(Sorry DC, you don't shift tickets!)


Not even in 2001? Two times BGP winner and that certain year, the leading McLaren driver?

Or was it because he's scottish?


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You'd imagine F1 would have to be helping out the circuit owners in some form or another, now is not the time to be squeezing every last dollar

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Gabriel wrote:
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(Sorry DC, you don't shift tickets!)


Not even in 2001? Two times BGP winner and that certain year, the leading McLaren driver?

Or was it because he's scottish?


For whatever reason he didn't capture the public conciousness like Nige/Damon/Lewis did

Probably has something to do with coming into the sport not only at a time with about 4 or 5 other brits already racing, but also replacing Senna of all people, which had to have been a bit of a poisoned chalice at the best of times.

Also, not being as quick as Micheal or Mika even on his best day

Or none of these things, and it's just his publicist/agent wasn't as good at handling the press and getting him in front of the British public on talk shows etc, as the others were

Who even knows....

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The irony with DC was that he just came across as boring, but if you actually look at what he used to say he was probably the most outspoken and interesting driver on the grid.


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A big reason Portugal happened was also the fact that the race was heavily discounted. The values are not public but it's reported to be much lower than the usual €30-50m.


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