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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:01 pm 
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Last year's race
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Kimi Raikkonen wins and becomes the most victorious finn in F1 history

Season Standings
after 18 races
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DRIVERS
POS   DRIVER   NATIONALITY   CAR   PTS
1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   MERCEDES   363
2   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   MERCEDES   289
3   Charles Leclerc   MON   FERRARI   236
4   Sebastian Vettel   GER   FERRARI   230
5   Max Verstappen   NED   RED BULL RACING HONDA   220
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO HONDA   77
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   MCLAREN RENAULT   76
8   Alexander Albon   THA   RED BULL RACING HONDA   74
9   Sergio Perez   MEX   RACING POINT BWT MERCEDES   43
10   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   RENAULT   38
11   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   RENAULT   35
12   Lando Norris   GBR   MCLAREN RENAULT   35
13   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO HONDA   34
14   Kimi Räikkönen   FIN   ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI   31
15   Lance Stroll   CAN   RACING POINT BWT MERCEDES   21
16   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   HAAS FERRARI   20
17   Romain Grosjean   FRA   HAAS FERRARI   8
18   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI   4
19   Robert Kubica   POL   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   1
20   George Russell   GBR   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   0

CONSTRUCTORS
POS   TEAM   PTS
1   MERCEDES   652
2   FERRARI   466
3   RED BULL RACING HONDA   341
4   MCLAREN RENAULT   111
5   RENAULT   73
6   SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO HONDA   64
7   RACING POINT BWT MERCEDES   64
8   ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI   35
9   HAAS FERRARI   28
10   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   1


Full timetables
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FRIDAY 1st NOVEMBER        
Masters Endurance Legends   Practice Session   08:40 - 09:20
Formula 4 Series   Practice Session   09:45 - 10:15
Formula 1   Practice 1   11:00 - 12:30
Masters Historic   Practice Session   13:00 - 13:25
Formula 1   Press Conference   13:00 - 14:00
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   13:30 - 14:30
Formula 1   Formula 1 Pirelli Hot Laps   13:50 - 14:20
Formula 1   Grand Prix Trust High Speed Laps   14:20 - 14:30
Formula 1   Practice 2   15:00 - 16:30
Formula 4 Series   Qualifying Session   17:00 - 17:20
Masters Endurance Legends   Qualifying Session   17:45 - 18:25
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Truck Tour   18:30 - 19:15
        
SATURDAY 2nd NOVEMBER       
Masters Endurance Legends   First Race (10 Laps or 40 Mins)   09:30 - 10:15
Formula 4 Series   First Race (10 Laps or 25 Mins)   10:40 - 11:10
Formula 1   Team Pit Stop Practice   11:10 - 11:30
Masters Historic   Qualifying Session   11:35 - 12:00
Formula 1   Practice 3   13:00 - 14:00
Formula 1   Formula 1 Pirelli Hot Laps   14:15 - 14:40
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   14:15 - 15:30
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Truck Tour   14:45 - 15:15
Formula 1   Qualifying   16:00 - 17:00
Formula 1   Press Conference   17:00 - 18:00
Masters Historic   First Race (10 Laps or 25 Mins)   17:30 - 18:00
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Truck Tour   18:15 - 18:45
        
SUNDAY 3rd NOVEMBER
    
Masters Endurance Legends   Second Race (10 Laps or 40 Mins)   08:05 - 08:50
Formula 4 Series   Second Race (10 Laps or 25 Mins)   09:15 - 09:45
Masters Historic   Second Race (10 Laps or 25 Mins)   10:10 - 10:40
Formula 1   Formula 1 Pirelli Hot Laps   11:00 - 11:20
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   11:00 - 12:00
Paddock Club   Global Partner Paddock Club Truck Tour   11:25 - 11:55
Formula 1   Drivers' Parade (Cars)   11:30 - 12:00
Formula 1    Starting Grid Presentation   12:00 - 12:20
Formula 1   National Anthem   12:54 - 12:56
Promoter Activity   Helicopter Fly Past TBC   12:58 - 12:59
Formula 1   Grand Prix (56 Laps or 120 Mins)   13:10 - 15:10


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Easy Mercedes 1-2 on this type of a circuit. No one else stands a chance.


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Boring track in F1, boring track in MotoGP. The start uphill is fun, the first few corners can provide some nice battles, but after the first lap it is fast forward to the finish.


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The esses are just too close together. If they were longer radius corners with more flow they would be much better. Remove the pointless 7-8-9 section for one sweeping corner and it would be much much better. Strangely that stupid end to the lap doesn't bother me as much as the fabled esses section. That section was billed as going to be OMG epic....and its just turned out to be a wet fart.


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Hot Take: It's a great track

Bahrain, Singapore and Abu Dhabi are the shitshows, at least this place has put on great racing in the past.

At least tilke learnt with this one to put in some goddamn elevation

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Scotty wrote:
Calling it - worst circuit on the calendar.

I'd say Abu Dhabi is worse but it's had a few bonkers races - somehow.


But Abu Dhabi bonkers were more down to the slot the race occupies in the end of the calendar than anything else. The only ones I can remember were title deciders or final races of seasons that had already been decided.


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Hot Take: It's a great track

Bahrain, Singapore and Abu Dhabi are the shitshows, at least this place has put on great racing in the past.

At least tilke learnt with this one to put in some goddamn elevation


Tilke didn't design it from scratch - he only did the buildings and some corner changes ;) ;)

He did fuck up Turn 9 though. That corner needs to be moved 100 feet to the left.

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I'm still in favor of a general rule for new tracks that says, "3 years on the calendar without a decent race? You're off!". Bye COTA, bye Sochi, bye Abu Dhabi, and after next year bye Paul Ricard.
Baku was terrible in it's first year and also this year, but it did provide two nice races which proves that the track is capable of something. And Mexico isn't great but has just done enough to be allowed to stay.

It would force F1 to choose venues because of the track instead of the possible new market (India, Korea, Vietnam), local hero popularity (Zandvoort, Valencia) or money (oil states, Russia).


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I don't mind the circuit, it just has a few unnecessary corners. This would be better...

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Why removing the 12 to 15 complex? It's one of the rare sections in modern F1 that allow really different line choices for similar speed, and as a consequence had their fair share of exciting side-by-side battles and tricks. I'm not usually fan of tight acute angle corners like this, but credit is due here.

Agree on the general criticism though. 2012 was exciting with a battle for the win, but so was that whole season. And any esses are worth exactly nothing if surrounded by a sea of tarmac. It feels like some rando on meth making sweeps in an empty lot to me, they should just admit that fast corners are too dangerous for the times and draw a straight line towards the next tight hairpin.


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the final sector is meh but I believe it could be better with grass runoffs. it's not that fast, that could get dangerous to have fatal crashes

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Omega wrote:
Boring track in F1, boring track in MotoGP. The start uphill is fun, the first few corners can provide some nice battles, but after the first lap it is fast forward to the finish.


Too true. The first lap particularly sector 1 provides the most excitement and then it's downhill from there. Unfortunately with the high aero dependency of this track, the field spread is far too much to see close action. To be in a position to make a move into T1 or the back straight, you need to be like 1-1.5sec quicker than the car in front.


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Coldtyre wrote:
Why removing the 12 to 15 complex? It's one of the rare sections in modern F1 that allow really different line choices for similar speed, and as a consequence had their fair share of exciting side-by-side battles and tricks. I'm not usually fan of tight acute angle corners like this, but credit is due here.


It's a slow, technical and clumsy section. That's the way I've always felt about it.

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and also makes the lap feel much longer than it is

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It's typical of that modern track-designing philosophy that all circuits should have a mix of fast and slow corners to create compromised car setups, rather than having a variation of tracks that each do different things


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Omega wrote:
I'm still in favor of a general rule for new tracks that says, "3 years on the calendar without a decent race? You're off!". Bye COTA, bye Sochi, bye Abu Dhabi, and after next year bye Paul Ricard.
Baku was terrible in it's first year and also this year, but it did provide two nice races which proves that the track is capable of something. And Mexico isn't great but has just done enough to be allowed to stay.

It would force F1 to choose venues because of the track instead of the possible new market (India, Korea, Vietnam), local hero popularity (Zandvoort, Valencia) or money (oil states, Russia).


Nah, F1 should take one look at the chances of rain falling at x location at a certain time of year, and schedule races on the dates where its most likely

Even shit tracks are great tracks in the rain (sadly we'll never get to know if that's the case for Bahrain or Abu Dhabi)

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Scotty wrote:
You know what I'd love to see, F1 race at a track that's got a short lap time, like 45 or 50 seconds, just to see what would happen.


Grand Prix of Lydden Hill please.

The rallycross layout :flag:


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Scotty wrote:
You know what I'd love to see, F1 race at a track that's got a short lap time, like 45 or 50 seconds, just to see what would happen.


like the Paul Ricard layout they used between 1986-1990, in the last year they were lapping 1'04", since they put a chicane on Mistral that's the way for France

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I still miss Istanbul a lot. That triple lefthand section is orgasmic.


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