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alex1369 · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:33 pm

I just searched a bit about the rules of crossing pit entry, well fuck it its true, you get 5 sec time penalty wich means he will drop to P2,
Bottas was 4.5 sec behind winner but i hope it wont happen

Gaara · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:35 pm

Reprimand for Hamilton...

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:36 pm

They talked about this on the broadcast

The rules apply to crossing the white line, there isn't a specific regulation that mentions scrabbling across the grass, which obviously is its own penalty in regard to tyre grip, losing time in the corner, losing time all the way down the straight
(I guess the rules don't consider SC periods)
But the pit lane is part of the racetrack, an in SC periods, the only place you can race while the rest of the track is neutral.
Remember Vettel overtaking 2 cars under SC conditions in China?
If you can do that, you can do what Lewis did.

If it's anything more than a fine and a reprimand, it'll be massively unfair.

Karan · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:41 pm

Speedworx wrote:

The rules are clear. It will be a farce if Hamilton doesn't get a penalty

As expected from the wildly inconsistent stewards. Shame for Bottas really, robbed from the win twice, first from his own team and now from the officials.
Odd justification given by the stewards for levying the reprimand. Apparently it's okay now to break rules as long as you do it in a safe manner and plead confusion in the heat of the moment. Sets bit of a dangerous precedent moving forward...

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:43 pm

Bottas lost the race the same way he did in Bahrain, being too timid when trying to pass for the lead.

He used to be so good at overtaking in GP2, but in F1 he seems to always lack the killer instinct when it comes to moves.
He should've had the lead on that restart. The way he closed up as the SC came in, he should've been by at Turn 1 let alone making a meal of trying to get by over the next 3 corners

By the time Mercedes called him off, he'd already lost his chance.

Speedworx · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:44 pm

Only a reprimand

2UncleanerLake53 · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:44 pm

IMHO it's unbelievable the fact that Charlie appeared on the media prior to the resolution.

And the punishment is also soft for me: the "winning manouvre" was illegal, so it should be a race-related penalty (in terms of seconds). What if he spins around because of the grass trip and causes a collision? Is that "safe" Charlie?

gkmotorsport · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:49 pm

codename_47 wrote:

Bottas lost the race the same way he did in Bahrain, being too timid when trying to pass for the lead.

He used to be so good at overtaking in GP2, but in F1 he seems to always lack the killer instinct when it comes to moves.
He should've had the lead on that restart. The way he closed up as the SC came in, he should've been by at Turn 1 let alone making a meal of trying to get by over the next 3 corners

By the time Mercedes called him off, he'd already lost his chance.

I wonder how much of his killer instinct has been killed off by having the best seat in F1 a year at a time and no longer.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:58 pm

if Bottas passed Hamilton to win Toto would be ripping his newly signed contract right after podium

EAS · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:33 pm

I feel this situation of Hamilton would have a different outcome if it wasn't with the race winner. Had it been with the 2nd place driver, they would penalize him.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:46 pm

so he was #blessed twice

aerogi · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:16 pm

stupid FIA not sticking to their own rules.

I hate it.

If it would have been ANYONE but Lewis (and Vettel) he would have got the penalty, 100% sure of that.

alex1369 · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:36 pm

France:
Vettel brakes late hits Bottas, punctures his tyre and damages his own wing, both cars need to go to pits for repairs.
Vettel gets 5 sec time penalty

Great Britain:
Kimi brakes late and hits/spins Lewis, no damage to cars, cars can continue without needing to pit for repairs,
Kimi gets 10sec time penalty

FIA same incidents with different penalties. So like the wind blows...

EAS · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:24 pm

FIA statement on the matter says

Quote:

In deciding on the penalty for the infringement, we took into account the following mitigating factors:

(i) The driver and the team candidly admitted the mistake and the fact that there was confusion within the team as to whether to stay out or to enter the pits and that led to the infringement.

(ii) The fact that the infringement took place during a Safety Car period.

(iii) At no time was there any danger to any other competitor and the change in direction was executed in a safe way.

"Taking all of the above into account, including considering previous infringements of the above rule, we are of the opinion that a reprimand would be the appropriate penalty for the said infringement on this occasion.

lmao being cute now counts on whether the driver is punished or not

This statement makes the decision to look even more ridiculous.

the ost · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:43 pm

Not being consistent with penalties kills casual interest. Just look at NASCAR.

Speedworx · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:29 pm

It's about time F1 had a "commit to pit" line.

What Hamilton did was worthy of a penalty. Drivers having contact on turn 1, lap 1 is NOT!

kals · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:34 pm

Speedworx wrote:

It's about time F1 had a "commit to pit" line.

What Hamilton did was worthy of a penalty. Drivers having contact on turn 1, lap 1 is NOT!

A commit to pit line is circuit dependent. Hockenheim is little tricky for that.

EAS · PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:41 pm

Scotty wrote:

Damn TBK back at it again with the constant bitching.

Now you're calling for penalties when...

Quote:

(iii) At no time was there any danger to any other competitor and the change in direction was executed in a safe way

He gained no advantage and put no-one in danger.

Bitch about consistency all you want, but look at it on face value and its common sense that no penalty was given. That's what we've always wanted right? Common sense?

But common sense is also built on consistency and previous records of similar situations. Just like it happens on pit exits that the rule is much more clear and the enforcement is more consistent (in many cases no one was put at risk because of that too). And there isn't much discussion over these situations.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:21 am

Scotty wrote:

Damn TBK back at it again with the constant bitching.

Now you're calling for penalties when...

Quote:

(iii) At no time was there any danger to any other competitor and the change in direction was executed in a safe way

He gained no advantage and put no-one in danger.

Bitch about consistency all you want, but look at it on face value and its common sense that no penalty was given. That's what we've always wanted right? Common sense?

Not one person has said "I don't like Hamilton but 14th to 1st is a great drive no matter what"

Says it all really. Everyone went straight to "Hamilton must be penalised" the second he crossed the line

So hostile to Hamilton in here you might as well all post on Reddit

kals · PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:53 am

codename_47 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Damn TBK back at it again with the constant bitching.

Now you're calling for penalties when...

Quote:

(iii) At no time was there any danger to any other competitor and the change in direction was executed in a safe way

He gained no advantage and put no-one in danger.

Bitch about consistency all you want, but look at it on face value and its common sense that no penalty was given. That's what we've always wanted right? Common sense?

Not one person has said "I don't like Hamilton but 14th to 1st is a great drive no matter what"

Says it all really. Everyone went straight to "Hamilton must be penalised" the second he crossed the line

So hostile to Hamilton in here you might as well all post on Reddit

You mean this isn't Reddit? I swear it feels like it is at time.

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