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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:29 pm 
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Yes, Although I don't think it should have ever been introduced to begin with.

Yes there would probably be less overtaking without DRS but I don't see that as a negative because I don't think overtaking that is so easy everybody can do it with relative ease in specific zones at the push of a button is all that interesting to watch anyway. If you took away DRS & overtaking was a bit harder then every overtake you saw would stand out, Every overtake you saw would be exciting & you would know that every overtake you saw was more down to pure driver skill & bravery.


After the Brazilian Gp last weekend Lewis Hamilton made a comment that was similar to what Mark Webber said way back in 2011. He had driven through the field & passed a lot of cars yet because DRS helped make a lot of that passing fairly easy it didn't feel that satisfying & none of the overtakes really stood out. And there right, In the past a drive through the field like that would be truly special & memorable as would there various overtakes (Kimi @ Suzuka 2005 for instance), Yet how many remember similar drives today? How many of Webber's overtakes in China do you remember, How many of Hamilton's in Brazil will we remember? Heck how many DRS overtakes will anyone remember?

And that to me is the biggest problem, Yes DRS creates significantly more overtakes..... But none of them stand out, none of them are memorable & I don't feel any of them are that interesting or exciting to watch because most of them are too easy.


DRS is quantity over quality but it's quality that is more important because that is what is more exciting & what stands out more than the number.


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Yes, but to have quality you need quantity in the first place. And you wont get that if you remove DRS with the current formula.

The points scotty and webbsy made above is why the engine rule is stupid. Instead of saving money from the low number of engines, they just spend it on making the ones used in the cars as reliable as possible. And reliability comes from testing, and testing comes from...building lots of engines.


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I would go for the opposite, make DRS as the standart and drivers must put the wing down only in corners if they are holding a 1" gap

cars get more difficult to drive, more prone to errors and there you go

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DRS'ing in the corners is asking for big accidents. Especially for the current crop of Maldonado'esque pay drivers we're struggling with atm.


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Make it so that you can trigger your opponent's DRS when you're within a second, anywhere you want.

Seriously though, DRS should be kept as long as aero is the way it is today.

Before DRS, when someone would start getting within a second, it was discouraging to a viewer because you know they'll run in dirty air and never be able to make even a move.

Nowadays, when someone gets within a second, you get off the couch and get closer to the TV. Sure, sometimes it ends up in a mediocre pass, but most of the time it allows multiple attacks and the car behind to stay within attacking distance. It's the best we can have for the moment, again until they fix the damn aero.


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change the DRS to a EMP charge that disables the ERS of the car in front and you charge your way (or create situations like Valencia 2010 and Australia 2016)

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My options:

- Open DRS rules to allow a driver to use it wherever they want (maybe ban it in the Monte Carlo tunnel, for safety reasons). Introduce a maximum amount of times it can be activated during a race, or set a time limit of DRS usage (like the P2P feature in IndyCar). Use it to defend, to attack, to get maximum perfomance over one lap, make it a driver's decision.

- Keep DRS zones as they are now, but allow the car on the back to use it if he is between 0.6-3 seconds behind. Closer distance than that, DRS not allowed. Use it to encourage a car to get near the one in front, but not to easily overtake.

- Adjust every DRS zone, to avoid having drivers fly past the one in front.

- Ban DRS, entirely. Replace it with a push-to-pass feature that when used, the car doesn't need to comply to the max-fuel flow rule (richer mixture), and allows the engine to rev higher than usual. Usage limited to a total time.

- Keep DRS rules as they are. New aerodynamic rules, ground effect, much smaller and simpler wings (front and back), DRS becomes much less effective than before.


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Hopefully with KERS coming back in the next engine regs, that'll allow the car in front some kind of defence

With KERS, DRS was less of a given when the car in front could save his Kers to defend from it.
I was watching Korea 2013 the other day and was surprised how well the Force India could hold on from Lewis and Fernando despite them being in faster cars all because it would save up its KERS boost for the straights.

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Coldtyre wrote:
Before DRS, when someone would start getting within a second, it was discouraging to a viewer because you know they'll run in dirty air and never be able to make even a move.

Nowadays, when someone gets within a second, you get off the couch and get closer to the TV.
I was/am the opposite.

Before DRS I would get excited when cars started to catch each other, Now I just can't.

Since 2011 i've been in this really weird place with F1 where I still love it as much as ever, I still look forward to the races but I no longer get that same thrill or excitement while actually watching it because I just hate the way the racing is with the DRS & even the way the tyres have been at times. The 2017 regulations improved that a bit as I like the extra performance & spectacle of the faster cars along with drivers been able to push harder for longer... But there's still DRS & that still takes a big chunk of my enjoyment away.


I fully understand the argument for it, But I just don't like it & since we've had it for 7 years now I just don't think I ever will & the fact that it's spreading to other categories (GP2/F2 especially where it was never needed) really does make me hate the stupid thing even more.


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- Ban DRS, entirely. Replace it with a push-to-pass feature that when used, the car doesn't need to comply to the max-fuel flow rule (richer mixture), and allows the engine to rev higher than usual. Usage limited to a total time.
Why they never tried that & have seemingly not even looked at that rather than DRS amazes me because a P2P style system is fairer & easier to tweak so that it's an assist & not something that helps you cruise past half way down a straight.

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With KERS, DRS was less of a given when the car in front could save his Kers to defend from it.

They can still do that & it gives a bigger boost than it used to (160Bhp for 33 seconds a lap now, 80Bhp for 6.6 seconds a lap then).

While the Hybrid harvesting/deployment is usually handled by the software (Based on various modes set by the engineer's) The drivers can override it & save up energy to manually deploy to attack or defend. It's something Bottas did on the last lap in Baku to have one final go at passing Stroll for 2nd going to the finish line, He saved everything over the lap & deployed it all out of the final corner.


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I would rather see each driver having certain number of DRS deployments during the race, and then able to use them whenever they want (perhaps keeping the current 2-lap rule intact though)


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