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Lol can hardly be bothered? We're stating facts, you're ignoring those with irrelevant conjecture.

To be clear, Bottas finished 2 seconds behind the winner and you think that's a shitty performance because Lewis finished a few seconds further back thanks to...

- starting with a brand new PU
- Mercedes being able to make fundamental set up changes outside of part ferme conditions
- being handed 5 places on lap one because of others people's incidents
- being able to minimize loss of time to the leaders due to the SC

Lewis performance was great but let's give credit where credit is due to Bottas. If you want to ignore facts the fine, but it's you that's bickering by responding with the stuff that you're saying.

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I would like to retract my previous statement, and instead say that I think that Bottas had a poor start which most probably cost him a certain win, and his race felt slightly uninspired and lacklustered. Meanwhile, Hamiltons drive felt like a good example of how great a driver he actually is. I also still claim that if you had reversed the seats, the outcome would not have been the same.

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Wholeheartedly agree. And he needs to learn how to fight with other cars. He anyways concedes (unless it’s Kimi he’s up against...).

What went unmentioned today as far as I could see was that the Ferrari pit crew secured Vettels win. The stop was 0.6 seconds faster than Valtteris. That made the difference (after his hesitant start).

Seems some people from Pirelli suffered an attempted robbery as they were leaving the track after the race.

Certainly discourages any foreigners from attending the race too, I can't think of any other race where you'd be held up at gun point?

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In all seriousness I don't know how Brazil (Interlagos) is still on the calendar. Seems like every year, or every other year there is an armed hold up of F1 personnel. It is just a matter of time before someone is killed, and if I were a driver or a mechanic I would be seriously and openly questioning whether or not I would attend the race. You know shit isn't right when you have to travel in convoys or armored cars because its unsafe to be there.

It would be sad from a F1 fan's perspective, but if they cancelled it due to safety reasons I would totally understand.

Bernie is the promoter isn't he? Or no he isn't. Or is he. Just friends with the Mayor.
Brazil is a big market, 207 million people. That's a bit less then half of the EU.

Bernie doesn't promote, is a company that the owner has a longtime friendship with him

since the town of São Paulo wants to sell the track, they want to move the race to Florianópolis, in the south

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Unfortunately I can't disagree with you...it's a problem we have to deal with. If I were you or If I were a driver or a foreigner I'd say exactly the same.

Interlagos has a peculiarity that makes it different from all other race tracks on F1's schedule. It's a circuit located in a poor neighborhood whose HDI is very low, a suburban and violent neighborhood from the Southern part of the city. There are other countries in F1's schedule with poverty/violence issues like that too but they have built their racing tracks in wealthy parts. Take Mexico for example: they have a huge crime rate and recently even Mexican government has been struggling to control organized crime. The difference is: Hermanos Rodríguez track is located in one of the wealthiest parts of Mexico City while Interlagos is located in one of the poorest.

Originally, Interlagos was built in an uninhabited region where there was nothing around in the 1940s and 1950s. Urban growth from the 1970s and 1980s - when the city received many migrants from other parts of the country and even from outside the country - made the city grow disorderly and without any urban planning. Today Interlagos is a working poor neighborhood with a large presence of organized crime. The neighborhood became accustomed to the lack of policing. With the exception of the Grand Prix weekend, policing in the region is almost zero throughout the year. It is a place for example that I avoid going, I rarely go to that part of town except when I go to races. And I fear that region.

Another circuit that suffers from the same issue is Argentina's Oscar Alfredo Gálvez, Buenos Aires racing circuit. It has a very similar history to Interlagos. The circuit is located in the extreme south of the city (it's more distant than Buenos Aires Ezeiza Airport) and because Buenos Aires population has grown a lot during the 70's and 80's, there was a marginal urbanization around the circuit and the place it's also located in a poor region. It is a problem that occurs mainly in racetracks built in the 1940s and 1950s that are not far from large urban agglomerations.

Now, what we do ask for foreigners is: be careful there, it's a violent place, it's dangerous! We inhabitants from São Paulo we also fear that region, so If we take care when we go to Interlagos, foreigners ought to do the same! Another thing that has to be understood is, when arriving in Interlagos you have to be well aware that you are in the outskirts of one of the biggest metropolis on Planet Earth.

Every metropolis around the World, with no exception, have urban issues. Take Paris for example, I've heard there are many tourists getting robbed there. Recently I've heard there were slums growing up in Paris outskirts. What about New York? Big metropolitan regions have problems.

Pirelli have cancelled the planned tyre test because of the security issues.

Bottas spinned the wheels in the start just slightly while Vettel had superb reactions and launch. That made the difference to T1.

Other thing that people seem to miss is the pitstops. Ferrari did it 0,6s better, making Valtteri's undercut vain.

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Vettel claims he made a bad start though, and was surprised he managed to get into the lead. It looked like they were quite even off the line, but Vettels second phase was better. The quick Ferrari pit stop definately was vital as well, seeing how close it was after Vettels stop.

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Villeneuve agrees with you, which proves again that you are talking nonsense.

Fair enough, I rest my case.

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Alex Würz analysed it quite aptly from the helicopter camera, I think. Vet and Bot got off the line about equally. Then as Bottas began to feed in the second clutch pedal after around 50-100m, he lit up the rears. This caused Vet to come alongside a not covering Bot. Then they approached the corner around the same, with Vet half a car length behind Bot. Bot braked earlier and opened the steering once Vet was wheel-wheel. Wurz also criticised Bot this and other times in the season for not defending and said that this already was an issue when he was racing at Williams (Wurz works for them in an advisoral position). So Bot really only has himself to blame for that.

and that's why Hamilton is thankful to him for being such a good team mate

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About the whole safety thing in Interlagos. It is the closest GP from me, but I'd rather fly to Mexico, US, Melbourne or wherever to attend a GP, instead of flying to Sao Paulo.

Looking forward to the return of the Argentinian GP, though.

If I was the organizer of Brazilian GP, I wouldn't think twice before moving the event to Santa Catarina State in Southern Brazil. Santa Catarina is a perfect venue for the "sophisticated" universe F1 requires nowadays.

There's another option, wait our politicians adopt better urban policies in Sao Paulo's metropolitan region, what is not likely to happen quite soon. So the thesis we have for the next years is, If Brazil wants to keep a Grand Prix, we'll have to do like some other countries around, hide our problems and build high tech circuits in places where Tourism has potential, we have plenty of that in Brazil and we can compete in equal conditions to many countries around the Globe.

But that would mean the end of a long tradition represented by Interlagos. You can say whatever you want, but the circuit itself has some magic.

Still talking about the fact Interlagos has some strange facts in its History, I mean it was built in the middle of two lakes where there was nothing surrounding it and today its a circuit surrounded by urban marginal development, take a look at these photos.

Interlagos in 1940



Interlagos in 1970



Interlagos in 1980



Interlagos in 1990



Interlagos in 2017

You've got Formula E to took forward to

Interlagos is one of the best tracks of the year and it would be a real shame to see it go from the calendar based on things that happen outside of it.

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Yeah, I'll go to the e-prix, but I'm nowhere near as excited as I'd be if I attend a GP.