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2012 UBS Chinese Grand Prix (April 13-15)
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Author:  codename_47 [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:02 am ]
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"BBC is best, better than sky sport, YES!" :lol:

Chinese fan dissing the Sky coverage on the F1 Forum, though it must be said they must have some dodgy big satellite dish to get either channel over there!

Author:  phil1993 [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:02 am ]
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So, McLaren, Mercedes, Lotus, Red Bull battling at the front. Alonso dragging that PoS Ferrari into the points and Sauber & Williams in the mix too.

It's going to be a great year!

Author:  Mika Kimi [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:03 am ]
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Just noticed.

1st pole for Nico Rosberg
1st victory for Nico Rosberg
1st points for Romain Grosjean
1st fastest lap for Kamui Kobayashi
1st fastest lap for Sauber

That's nice. 8)

Author:  phil1993 [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:06 am ]
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This reminds me of 2009. Teams all over the place. I recall that year Toyota were 1-2 on the grid in Bahrain, and then two races later they lined up 19-20. Could be a year a little like that.

Author:  codename_47 [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:06 am ]
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phil1993 wrote:
So, McLaren, Mercedes, Lotus, Red Bull battling at the front. Alonso dragging that PoS Ferrari into the points and Sauber & Williams in the mix too.

It's going to be a great year!


I'm loving the "3 races, 3 different winners" thing too

What's the longest that streak continued for, 2003?

Hamilton might well make it 4 from 4 next weekend, who knows then Vettel and Webber might get their act in gear for the next races for 6 from 6 and even Micheal might sneak one...

7 from 7 please! :p

Author:  phil1993 [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:10 am ]
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Remember in 2010 when the leader of the championship never won a race? Wonder if that might happen this year...

Author:  Soul Reaver [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:18 am ]
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I've still gonna wait for some races to see how they all perform after all the car updates. Probably Red Bull will get closer to McLaren, that would be a cool duel. Mercedes and Lotus just behind and a no men's land from there on.

I'm still voting the Rate the Race tread with 2005 standarts. I may change that, but if not, I may give 10 for all the calendar.

The only bad thing on the races atm is that there's 17 car figthing and dashing for position, it's too much to keep up. If I saw only half of that I would be estatic already some years ago. This is the Golden Year of F1 for me. Just need an epic 2010 like fight for the Championship and we'll be crying why F1 isn't like it was in 2012 anymore for the rest of your lives.

Author:  marcus_w [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:21 am ]
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Interesting that Hamilton pitted first today even though Button was leading on the track.

Author:  StefMeister [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:23 am ]
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Button saying the data shows that without the problem on his last stop they would have caught Rosberg with 2 laps to go.

Author:  phil1993 [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:25 am ]
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Here's a useless fact: China 2011 and 2012 both featured 23 finishers, with the only retirement being caused by a wheel that wasn't attached properly at the driver's first stop. (2011: Alguersuari, 2012: Schumacher).

Author:  Ospi [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:42 am ]
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StefMeister wrote:
Button saying the data shows that without the problem on his last stop they would have caught Rosberg with 2 laps to go.

if if if if if

Author:  codename_47 [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:44 am ]
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StefMeister wrote:
Button saying the data shows that without the problem on his last stop they would have caught Rosberg with 2 laps to go.


And he would've won Monaco too

Stupid pit mistakes ruinined epic finishes :(

Author:  spekktrum [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:50 am ]
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I'm surprised of the pace of the whole field. Everyone, except the "new teams" were in the lead lap. And even they were just one lap down (except Kovaleinen and Karthikeyan). This concerns also the previous GPs, but today we had no safetycar.

Author:  Bleu [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:52 pm ]
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Mercedes GP fines 5000 € for Schumacher pit stop incident.

Author:  kals [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:55 pm ]
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Idiotic penalty. Schumi pulled off in less than half a lap and the wheel at no point became detatched.

Author:  kals [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:58 pm ]
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Ospi wrote:
StefMeister wrote:
Button saying the data shows that without the problem on his last stop they would have caught Rosberg with 2 laps to go.

if if if if if


:thumbsup:

Beside Rosberg, Button was the only driver not to really encounter that much traffic today (before his final pitstop). If Webber and Hamilton hadn't got caught up behind a bunch of others they would have been more in the mix. If Schumi hadn't had his issue then he would have been a factor in the top 6. But these things didn't happen. So there's no point dwelling on it.

Author:  RtN [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:58 pm ]
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The FIA report says that Schumacher pulling off quickly helped to mitigate the penalty.

Presumably he would have faced the Alonso treatment if he had tried to make it back.

Author:  Mika Kimi [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:00 pm ]
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I'm starting to think RBR's racepace is better than McLaren's, when you look at Vettel's race with two pitstops (not 100% sure, could be three). Anyone who agrees?

Author:  kals [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:03 pm ]
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RtN wrote:
Presumably he would have faced the Alonso treatment if he had tried to make it back.


And it's this I still fail to understand.

So let's assume the wheel parts company with the car and the driver (minus a wheel) gets back to this pits, has a new wheel fitted and then gets back into the race. How is that any different to a driver crawling around the circuit with a puncture, leaving huge amounts of rubbing carcass as he goes? There's no penalty for that.

Author:  codename_47 [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:05 pm ]
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kals wrote:
RtN wrote:
Presumably he would have faced the Alonso treatment if he had tried to make it back.


And it's this I still fail to understand.

So let's assume the wheel parts company with the car and the driver (minus a wheel) gets back to this pits, has a new wheel fitted and then gets back into the race. How is that any different to a driver crawling around the circuit with a puncture, leaving huge amounts of rubbing carcass as he goes? There's no penalty for that.


I think these rules were written during the hyper-critical period of immediately post Imola 94.

The feeling being, threaten to fine the teams enough and they'll suddenly wake up and stop endangering people's lives.

At that point a mere puncture had never hurt anyone, so I guess they left that out of the regs.

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