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| Author: | Coldtyre [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
Gaara wrote: In future just hold your line and wait for the contact? Pretty much. Although they can argue that you should give the position back to escape a penalty, or slow down and get back in line behind. |
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| Author: | codename_47 [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
Does that Kerb and white line really NEED to be there anyway? What exactly is wrong with having the track extend all the way to the wall? Always thought that was a stupid design tbh |
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| Author: | Gaara [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
kals wrote: Gaara wrote: In future just hold your line and wait for the contact? Indeed  Which will also earn you a penalty.So the message from the stewards is... ...you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Nah, then you can prove they didn't give you room and they get the penalty instead. |
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| Author: | Regiotap [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
Well, another ridicilous penalty. This time for Webber (again Red Bull). He had no choice then to go over the kerbs, because he was forced by Kobayashi. He even didn't left the kerbs with 4 wheels! They should really stop to give this bullshit penalties. And they have to be fair for everyone at every race. At Monza e.g., every driver moves over the white line at the end of Variante Ascari, and then it is no problem? |
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| Author: | Coldtyre [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
codename_47 wrote: Does that Kerb and white line really NEED to be there anyway? What exactly is wrong with having the track extend all the way to the wall? Always thought that was a stupid design tbh Not to be the devil's advocate, but the corner would be too fast and not an overtaking opportunity anymore. Now what they could do is keep the design and just bring the wall to the kerb. Don't know if they can just plant walls mid-avenue though. |
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| Author: | kals [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
That red and white section is not a curb, rather just a painted section of track. If they don't want drivers to go over that section I suggest they make it a proper curb. |
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| Author: | codename_47 [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
coldtyre wrote: codename_47 wrote: Does that Kerb and white line really NEED to be there anyway? What exactly is wrong with having the track extend all the way to the wall? Always thought that was a stupid design tbh Not to be the devil's advocate, but the corner would be too fast and not an overtaking opportunity anymore. Now what they could do is keep the design and just bring the wall to the kerb. Don't know if they can just plant walls mid-avenue though. I don't know, it seems like the corner is already quite tight and removing the kerb and white line from there wouldn't change the speed of the corner, just give the drivers slightly more room to track out on exit and maybe, like Webber, make a pass if they're brave enough. Ho hum, it's a shit track either way. |
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| Author: | Coldtyre [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
Either option we all agree that it shouldn't define whether ballsy moves are valid or not. Let'em race |
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| Author: | Fabs [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
If we "let them race" we get situations like at Spa where drivers nearly get killed. |
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| Author: | phil1993 [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
Nico Rosberg finished 5th. No-one noticed, no-one cares. It just goes to show my theory about him being good, but such a boring racing driver. |
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| Author: | Regiotap [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
Without failures in front of him or the SC, it would have been 8th. So what is good about it? |
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| Author: | Mäth [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
He finished while others didn't |
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| Author: | Coldtyre [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
Fabs wrote: If we "let them race" we get situations like at Spa where drivers nearly get killed. Tough shit, welcome to motor racing. |
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| Author: | RtN [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
phil1993 wrote: Nico Rosberg finished 5th. No-one noticed, no-one cares. It just goes to show my theory about him being good, but such a boring racing driver. Is it a good result? He's twice done better at this track in the craptacular Toyota-era Williams. |
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| Author: | Fish88 [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
Regiotap wrote: Without failures in front of him or the SC, it would have been 8th. So what is good about it? If Hamilton and Maldonado didn't crashed and Vettel and Grosjean didn't retire, Schumi wouldn't have a podium. |
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| Author: | Regiotap [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
I don't understand your point, because I always said Schumacher isn't a good driver anymore. I'm pretty sure a driver like Hamilton will make the Mercedes 0,5s-1,0s quicker then Rosberg and Schumacher do. |
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| Author: | ellis [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
Since the FIA has looked at the telemetry and discovered what we already knew - that Vettel was braking for a corner - does that not put the blame onto Jenson now? Surely the safety car rules are that everybody keeps a steady pace. Although there was not an accident, they were ready to hand out a penalty to Vettel for not holding pace. Now it turns out he did hold pace...which means Jenson didn't. So do the SC rules only apply to leader? Even though Vettel wasn't penalised, if I were Red Bull I'd be a bit worried about the penalties of recent times. Webbers today was especially harsh. |
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| Author: | ellis [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
phil1993 wrote: Nico Rosberg finished 5th. No-one noticed, no-one cares. It just goes to show my theory about him being good, but such a boring racing driver. He was beaten by a Force India. I don't really see it as that good. |
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| Author: | iks [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
coldtyre wrote: Schumacher's penalty was that he frigging totalled a racecar and threw away a good result. That was the penalty for such dumbassery since the dawn of racing, why do we need all this bullshit grid penalties for what are racing mishaps with no intentional harmdoing? It's becoming more and more irritating that nobody is protesting against it anymore and has become a widely accepted way of doing within the sport's fanbase and also professional community. I wonder what the penalties would've been like if the local Singaporean authorities were allowed to penalize. Three race ban and a good spanking for Schumacher? I bet Schumacher will qualify in top 5 at Suzuka only to have it ruined by this dumb penalty. Also penalties for engine changes and gearbox changes are completely stupid. |
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| Author: | Ospi [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix |
I am really confused as to the justification of these rulings. Monza, Vettel squeezes Alonso who is attempting a pass on the outside off the track, Vettel Penalty. Here Koba queezes Webber who is attempting a pass on the outside off the track, Webber Penalty. So because Webber gained an advantage from being pushed off the track, he gets a penalty? I would have thought letting that one go would have been the better decision since Koba broke a (retarded) rule himself. I dunno, the more they try to clarify and tighten the rules the harder they make it for themselves and consistency then slips it seems. |
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