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2012 Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada *Spoilers*
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Author:  phil1993 [ Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:13 pm ]
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DRS is a good invention, it just needs to be sorted out properly. I really like the FR3.5 method but F1 would never take inspiration from a junior category sadly.
Author:  Regiotap [ Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:53 pm ]
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Why not give the drivers e.g. 15 chances to use DRS in a race. And that without the 1s-window.

I don't like DRS on this way. Like in Abu Dhabi, drivers who pass someone at the 1st straight end, will lose automatically the place at the 2nd straight because the other can use DRS. Solution for this could be to change the DRS-activation line before the corner for the straight, so this will not happen. I miss the great fights with DRS, what is a shame. Like last year in Canada, there could be a real battle between Schumacher, Webber and Button, but with DRS, it wasn't. I can enjoy fights without passing.
Author:  kals [ Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:01 pm ]
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Regiotap wrote:
Like last year in Canada, there could be a real battle between Schumacher, Webber and Button, but with DRS, it wasn't.


kals wrote:
....Webber was stuck behind Schumi for lap after lap and despite the DRS advantage found it difficult to get around him. .....how Jenson got around Webber, which was thanks to a mistake Mark made when attempting to get around Schumi. .....when there was no DRS after the final safety car, Webber could not get anywhere near the back of Schumi down the back straight. What is farcical is the blinkered point of view.

Without DRS we wouldn't have had the grandstand finish to the race we had. Simple as that. And no doubt people would have moaned about how boring the race was (rain aside).
Author:  Regiotap [ Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:06 pm ]
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What has the end of the race to do with the reason about DRS? When DRS was enabled 2 laps after the SC, Webber and Button could easily pass Schumacher. I think we would have seen an epic battle till the end between Schumacher/Webber/Button. Now it wasn't a battle. A big disappointment for the real racefan. And not all epic battles need an overtake. I think we still love Monaco 1992? Nobody would talk about Monaco 1992 if Mansell could use DRS.

Vettel made a mistake, so it looks like it was a epic battle in the last lap, but Vettel only made his mistake, because he knew Button would easily pass him at he straight for a new fake overtake.
Author:  kals [ Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:32 pm ]
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Regiotap wrote:
What has the end of the race to do with the reason about DRS?


It has everything to do with it, as my final sentence says.

Regiotap wrote:
When DRS was enabled 2 laps after the SC, Webber and Button could easily pass Schumacher.


No they couldn't easily pass Schumi and didn't.

Regiotap wrote:
I think we would have seen an epic battle till the end between Schumacher/Webber/Button.


How? When DRS was disabled Webber and Button just sat line of stern behind Schumi. There's nothing exciting about that.

Regiotap wrote:
Now it wasn't a battle. A big disappointment for the real racefan. And not all epic battles need an overtake. I think we still love Monaco 1992? Nobody would talk about Monaco 1992 if Mansell could use DRS.


This is pretty much irrelevant. Senna was weaving and brake testing Mansell, something that today would get a driver penalised. It was epic but Mansell never got anywhere near alongside Senna on a straight as Senna was defending with all his might.

Regiotap wrote:
Vettel made a mistake, so it looks like it was a epic battle in the last lap, but Vettel only made his mistake, because he knew Button would easily pass him at he straight for a new fake overtake.


:roll:
Author:  Coldtyre [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:03 am ]
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Regiotap, what do you call a "real battle"?

If it is between two drivers of equal speed, sorry but without DRS they wouldn't even get a chance to make an attempt. For an example of this, watch every fucking F1 dry race between 1995 and 2008. Even drivers one second faster wouldn't even get close to the car in front.

Montoya vs Schumacher in Monza 2002 would have been the race of the century with DRS. Instead, we got a small battle in lap 1 then a snorefest where they followed each other at one or 2 second distance, not being able to do much more.

Even a DRS that is too effective like we saw at Montreal would get very strategic between two drivers doing the same lap times, a bit like slingshot passes on a superspeedway. Nothing stops the other one from passing again, or faking the pass before the straight to get the benefit of opening it etc...

My point is, better overdoing the DRS than underdoing it
Author:  kals [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:06 am ]
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Very well said
Author:  codename_47 [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:52 am ]
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Just to point out something I forgot to mention:

Massa's pass (despite Martin Brundle cocking up the calling of it) on Rosberg on lap 2 wasn't DRS enabled but was still pretty much a blast past on the straight....

Just saying, aside from Rosberg in the mid part of the race I can't remember any overtake there reaching the chicane....
Author:  phil1993 [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:07 am ]
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In fact, if Vettel was thinking clearer in Canada last year, he would have realised that Button was 1-1.5s/lap faster, let him through just before the DRS detection zone and breezed past him in the activation zones.

Or, judging by the fact that he didn't do that, the DRS zone isn't the free pass that everyone thinks it is.
Author:  Mäth [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:55 am ]
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codename_47 wrote:
Will Buxton has just tweeted that a Mini has just hit the wall of champions roof first! :8:

Wonder if we'll ever see video of that...... :?
Author:  StanV [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:45 am ]
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omg, that is amazing
Author:  bigears [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:39 pm ]
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Impressive air there! Thankfully he is fine.
Author:  Jason [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:55 pm ]
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Does anybody know where Lewis got the Union Jack from on the cool down lap?
Author:  kals [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:17 pm ]
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I didn't see anything on the Speed coverage, maybe he had it in the cockpit with him?
Author:  cookie [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:20 pm ]
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Jason wrote:
Does anybody know where Lewis got the Union Jack from on the cool down lap?


I think someone gave it to him at the beginning of pitlane.
Author:  Regiotap [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:24 pm ]
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phil1993 wrote:
In fact, if Vettel was thinking clearer in Canada last year, he would have realised that Button was 1-1.5s/lap faster, let him through just before the DRS detection zone and breezed past him in the activation zones.

Or, judging by the fact that he didn't do that, the DRS zone isn't the free pass that everyone thinks it is.


It was in Canada (last year). And it was wet outside the ideal line, so if he would let pass Button, he would had no grip to get in Button's back.
Author:  Coldtyre [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:09 am ]
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cookie wrote:
Jason wrote:
Does anybody know where Lewis got the Union Jack from on the cool down lap?


I think someone gave it to him at the beginning of pitlane.

Are they still allowed to do so? I thought it was forbidden for weight issues (?)
Author:  kals [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:30 pm ]
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Careful Scotty. There may be some eagle eyed FIA delegates on the board which may read your post and instigate post race xrays so to ensure clever team members don't put lead pellets into their drivers pockets during those hugs!
Author:  cookie [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:27 pm ]
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After the race drivers should be forced to put on a show if they win. Then a panel of judges will give them points for it. if they get more than 7 out of 10 average they get an extra championship point.

It's just too sterile after a victory. Some talk over the radio and some hugging of team members. Donuts till the tyres pop I tell ya, that's what the crowd wants to see. Throwing your helmet into the grandstand, fence climbing ...
Author:  Fergo [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:43 pm ]
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The crowd absolutely loves when Lewis does donuts at Silverstone, it's a good way for the drivers to show appreciation to the fans imo.
(can't resist plugging my own video :p)
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