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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:44 pm 
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Rubens Barrichello showed consistent drive and showed skills with weaker cars, and did it again yesterday, despite not earning points

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As far as I know, Barrichello beat Petrov on race pace. All the others behind him had problems during the race.
During the race, Brundle and DC noticed how many places the Williamses had gained. Then they saw who were behind...
DC: "they didn't earn it, they were given the places"


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Taking a HRT and MVR out of it Barrichello was only "given" two places, for the retirements of Buemi and Vettel. His drive was very good, probably one of the best of his season.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:31 pm 
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it is only logical that he beat the green Lotus cars, Alguersuari and Senna had difficult races with bad pit stops.

Yes, Rubens got a nice result in a terrible car, but it definitely wasn't the race of his life or the most impressive drive of the race.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:23 pm 
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I think the Maldonado/Webber incident was pretty poor driving from Maldonado and probably cost himself more time than he needed to, but I believe if you come across two cars that are actually racing as Maldonado and Jimmy A were, side by side for a few corners and you get held up, that's just tough shit.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:30 pm 
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Drivers of the current era need a proper lesson in how to lap back markers. Get rid of the silly blue flag rule and put Olivier Grouillard and Rene Arnoux back on circuit.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:33 pm 
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Heh, that's a good idea.


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They should all be forced to drive a year of sportscars, as LMP and GT drivers.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:47 pm 
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That's not fair.

Why should they come in and proceed to ruin the races of all the experienced sportscar drivers? (Looking at you, ginger snap)

Much prefer kals' idea.

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Sorry, I don't buy the whole 'make em do sportscars' comment, because you have different specs.

There's so many deals in F1 that Team X can help Team Y by holding up Team Z. You let the leader through because without blue flags there'd be anarchy.

I can understand having problems lapping cars at Monaco, but Abu Dhabi? Long straights, wide track, plenty of clear flags and flashing lights.

I agree that there needs to be more consistency, but Webber lost 2 seconds in the race, Lewis & Alonso both lost time. And okay, maybe they should deal with it better. But they're in the lead and they don't need some shitbox Williams getting in their way.

And as yes, it hinders your race strategy being lapped, but you can deal with it better. The lower teams take lapping into account when working out their strategy and that's something that Lotus need to heed because they'll be joining them soon.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:05 pm 
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I fail to see how removing blue flags would do anything but make it worse. Under that situation, backmarkers that sucked before (looking at you Pastor) will suck more. And anyone with an attitude or sense of entitlement will deliberately be a pain about it. If they tried that then it'd just be a complete mess.

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Sorry, I don't buy the whole 'make em do sportscars' comment, because you have different specs.


Which is the entire point. Reading traffic, taking speeds into account. Making them think. Not just rely purely on the flags.

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That's not fair.

Why should they come in and proceed to ruin the races of all the experienced sportscar drivers? (Looking at you, ginger snap)

Much prefer kals' idea.


Nobody at F1 level is going to be a serious problem, other than being a twat like Davidson. A driver of those standards is nothing compared to the garbage like Tracy Krohn, running around nearly causing accidents every lap.


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ellis wrote:
They should all be forced to drive a year of sportscars, as LMP and GT drivers.


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I never said remove blue flags. I said remove the silly blue flags rule. The rule which dictates the lapped car has to yield within seeing 3 consecutive blue flags. Drivers need flag signals, warnings, etc... but they could also do more to help themselves. Drivers being able to navigate through back markers used to be an art. Now it's just another rule to be obliged.


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I do miss the years when you used to see the Team Owners walking down the pitwall to check if the backmarkers will 'cooperate'


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- Make it 5 flags instead of 3
- Only start waving flags when the faster car gets within a second of you

Too simple?


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Too complex. How and when are you going to measure the one second gap and then how are you going to get that messaging across to each and every marshals post?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:07 pm 
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Well, not exactly one second. Just a visual gap that looks about a second.

Sometimes the blue flags seem to come out ridiculously early.


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De Cesaris fan wrote:
Well, not exactly one second. Just a visual gap that looks about a second.

Sometimes the blue flags seem to come out ridiculously early.

Yeah they do, definately. Sometimes I think If they were to actually let someone by after the first flag, they'd have to slow down to a crawl and wait ages for the car to catch up and pass.

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kals wrote:
Too complex. How and when are you going to measure the one second gap and then how are you going to get that messaging across to each and every marshals post?


The timing sectors we get aren't the only ones on the circuit. The cars are GPS tracked, you could measure a second within a reasonable tolerance quite easily.


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kals wrote:
I never said remove blue flags. I said remove the silly blue flags rule. The rule which dictates the lapped car has to yield within seeing 3 consecutive blue flags. Drivers need flag signals, warnings, etc... but they could also do more to help themselves. Drivers being able to navigate through back markers used to be an art. Now it's just another rule to be obliged.


In sportscars it still is an art. It's gotten a little out hand and dangerous recently with the speed difference in a straight line not being high enough, meaning LMP drivers are taking bigger risks (Nishy), and the increased amount of morons at the back (Tracy Krohn needs to get his arse out of that car), but it's an art there. Force them to learn these skills and it'll be an art.


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