So the delayed start was NOT because of the rain: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/power ... /10313532/
Also: rules for pit lane exit don't seem to apply anymore.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1530996574939144192[/tweet]
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| Author: | gkmotorsport [ Sun May 29, 2022 6:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
Ferrari have protested Verstappen's result on the basis of him crossing the line. I have to say, they have a strong case for once. |
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| Author: | LucasWheldon [ Sun May 29, 2022 7:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
Perez achieved some interesting statistics. Being his first at Monaco, is also his first on wet weather and he's also the most successful mexican in F1 history |
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| Author: | Fabs [ Sun May 29, 2022 7:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
So the delayed start was NOT because of the rain: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/power ... /10313532/ Also: rules for pit lane exit don't seem to apply anymore. [tweet]https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1530996574939144192[/tweet]
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| Author: | amq55 [ Sun May 29, 2022 8:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
Conclusions of the Stewards: Having considered the various statements made by the parties, and having reviewed the case of Car 18 in the 2021 Monaco Grand Prix, which involved a similar situation to this, the Stewards determine the following: 1. Article 2.1 of the 2022 Formula One Sporting Regulations provides that “All…officials..undertake to observe all the provisions of …the Code, …..the Formula One Sporting Regulations…”. 2. This places an obligation on the Race Director (and the Stewards) to comply with those regulations. 3. Accordingly, the Notesissued by the Race Director cannot contradict the Code or the Formula One Sporting Regulations 4. Article 5 c) of Chapter IV of Appendix L of the Code stipulates that at the pit exit a car “must not cross” the line. 5. In this case, the car did not “cross” the line – to do so it would have needed to have a full wheel to the left of the yellow line. 6. Accordingly the driver did not breach the relevant section of the Code and this takes precedent over any interpretation of the Notes. The Protest is therefore dismissed and the Protest Fee is forfeited. Aka he stepped on the line but didn't cross it. |
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| Author: | Coldtyre [ Sun May 29, 2022 8:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
codename_47 wrote: Young people who haven't done their history: OMG THIS IS SO EXCITING ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN Jaded F1 fans who have seen 1992, 2001 and 2012: Yeah this is the finishing order From a fellow old fart: fuck you sir  , I like trains of frustrated drivers and just you wait, something will happen some day. Still always more fun than gaps. And arguably (my opinion that I know is extreme) more fun than regular tracks where passes are made quickly and then gaps created by the faster guys to the finish.Motor races should create opportunity for a slower driver to outsmart and win, and only Monaco allows this  (Also, add 2002 and a train of 4 cars for the lead behind Coulthard's slowly dying engine). |
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| Author: | LucasWheldon [ Sun May 29, 2022 9:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
what about that race in Jarama (pretty much a Monaco without barriers) when Gilles held the biggest train from the lead in F1 history |
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| Author: | codename_47 [ Sun May 29, 2022 9:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
Coldtyre wrote: codename_47 wrote: Young people who haven't done their history: OMG THIS IS SO EXCITING ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN Jaded F1 fans who have seen 1992, 2001 and 2012: Yeah this is the finishing order From a fellow old fart: fuck you sir , I like trains of frustrated drivers and just you wait, something will happen some day.(Also, add 2002 and a train of 4 cars for the lead behind Coulthard's slowly dying engine). It'll be harder to think of passes for the lead or even podium places than the obvious races where the leader is a lot slower but no-one can get by them I know Montoya passed 1 car in 2004 and Lewis again sneaked through someone in 2011/2 early in the race that made us all think "oh, is DRS gonna change Monaco and make it possible to pass here!?" (lol...nope) Then there was that 2005 race where the tyres were really suffering during the no tyre change year where there was some late race drama and Williams throwing it down the inside of Renaults in wild moves.... That'll be it, I expect |
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| Author: | Coldtyre [ Sun May 29, 2022 9:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
So Verstappen case has been explained above. For Ocon: he went to the stewards and they explained that a new rule this year penalises the driver outside if there's already a car inside. They stated it's new and this would've been a racing incident last year. They stated they also don't really think it's a good rule but they have to apply it. These were Ocon's words to french TV after the race. If this is true, I can't wait to see the shitstorm from future similar contacts this year, with higher stakes at play.
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| Author: | Omega [ Sun May 29, 2022 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
I was always opposed to that old rule. No, it's not because you get your nose next to the car in front that you have made the pass. But the driver in front must realise he can't steer in to the apex when there's a car next to him. Plenty of cases before, when the driver in front just steers like there's no one there, they make contact and the driver behind was always seen as the one who made the error. And it was bullshit. But it's also stupid that if the exact same manoeuvre happened last year, Hamilton would have been penalised and this year it's Ocon. |
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| Author: | codename_47 [ Sun May 29, 2022 10:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
Does that mean the Vettel intimidation block on a car alongside him(Malaysia 2017, Brazil 2019) amid others, is now illegal too |
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| Author: | EAS [ Sun May 29, 2022 11:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
Fabs wrote: So the delayed start was NOT because of the rain: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/power ... /10313532/ On one hand, we cannot criticize race direction as they couldn't do anything else. On the other hand, however, it is very concerning that a track is under the risk of power outage when it rains. That's some terrible job around. |
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| Author: | peterohanrahanrahan [ Mon May 30, 2022 12:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
So as far as I can see Mick Schumacher has written off two chassis now. I don't even think Mazepin would have done this amount of damage, surely he's in trouble? |
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| Author: | Coldtyre [ Mon May 30, 2022 6:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
codename_47 wrote: Does that mean the Vettel intimidation block on a car alongside him(Malaysia 2017, Brazil 2019) amid others, is now illegal too This is why this shouldn't be legally enforced if the overlap is 50-50-ish. If it's a blatant turn-in like Schumacher 94+97, penalty to car in front. If you punt someone with the wing or front wheel vs rear wheel, penalty to guy behind. For everything in-between, and yesterday was one of those, racing incident and call it a day. Not every incident needs a penalty, that's what the Internet forgets while looking for the "responsible". They'll sort it out on track and as Kimi says, it evens out over a mong period of time. |
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| Author: | gd49 [ Mon May 30, 2022 7:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
Do the stewards look at a bit more than just the corner - Hamilton was alongside Ocon on the straight, then was braking earlier for the tighter inside line, so Ocon should really have known he was there and left some space at the apex - different to Hamilton being behind and sticking his nose into the apex at the last minute. Agree a racing incident would have been fairest, especially as Ocon was at risk of a puncture from turning in on Hamilton. EAS wrote: Fabs wrote: So the delayed start was NOT because of the rain: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/power ... /10313532/ On one hand, we cannot criticize race direction as they couldn't do anything else. On the other hand, however, it is very concerning that a track is under the risk of power outage when it rains. That's some terrible job around. Sent from my CPH2005 using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | amq55 [ Mon May 30, 2022 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
peterohanrahanrahan wrote: So as far as I can see Mick Schumacher has written off two chassis now. I don't even think Mazepin would have done this amount of damage, surely he's in trouble? On the flip side, Mick can fight for points whilst I doubt Fittipaldi will be able to get in that mix. |
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| Author: | Beezle [ Mon May 30, 2022 8:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
amq55 wrote: peterohanrahanrahan wrote: So as far as I can see Mick Schumacher has written off two chassis now. I don't even think Mazepin would have done this amount of damage, surely he's in trouble? On the flip side, Mick can fight for points whilst I doubt Fittipaldi will be able to get in that mix. He also brings the only Sponsor the team has. |
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| Author: | micha [ Mon May 30, 2022 10:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
Beezle wrote: amq55 wrote: peterohanrahanrahan wrote: So as far as I can see Mick Schumacher has written off two chassis now. I don't even think Mazepin would have done this amount of damage, surely he's in trouble? On the flip side, Mick can fight for points whilst I doubt Fittipaldi will be able to get in that mix. He also brings the only Sponsor the team has. If sponsor income - wrecks = 0 what would be the use? |
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| Author: | mclaren2008 [ Mon May 30, 2022 11:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
Rather convenient that a "power outage" prevents the FIA conducting their precious red flag standing start 
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| Author: | LucasWheldon [ Mon May 30, 2022 12:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
Beezle wrote: amq55 wrote: peterohanrahanrahan wrote: So as far as I can see Mick Schumacher has written off two chassis now. I don't even think Mazepin would have done this amount of damage, surely he's in trouble? On the flip side, Mick can fight for points whilst I doubt Fittipaldi will be able to get in that mix. He also brings the only Sponsor the team has. and has the Ferrari backing. Only gets out if the Scuderia says so has somebody on social media confirmed the power outage or they just came up with that to justify their blunders and place the blame on race organizers again? |
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| Author: | EAS [ Mon May 30, 2022 12:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2022 |
Well, at least for me, the information of power outage came from different sources than any official F1 channel. Can't see journalists coming with a fake story only to make F1 actions seem reasonable. By the way, it was the same lack of transparency that we saw on Saturday's UEFA Champions League Final, in which UEFA used such dubious wording that made it seem like the fans were to take the blame on the delayed match start. |
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