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I don't get why everyone is blaming Mags. How I see it: Magnussen had already started covering the inside line and Alonso tried to bluf himself to the inside, hoping Mags would open the door again for the untouchable Alonso.

On the straight, i thought, Mags would send Alonso into the trees. That was frightening from the heli shot.

Maybe we get to see a better shot from some onboards to judge it better though.

If the car defending is entitled to take the racing line, or indeed any line he wants, isn't what Mags did technically 100% fine? at what point does it move from ok to not ok. This is not me saying what Mags did was fine - it's an actual question.

Eddie Jordan seems to believe Mercedes should prevent there drivers racing for the 1st few laps

On that note, Damon Hill might not be too happy with Sky after they showed Damon asking for team orders at Spa in 1998. Damon of course this year said he doesn't believe in team orders and all drivers should be allowed to race.

Just seen the onboard of Mags against Alonso, when Mags didn't leave room. Mags appeared to be already moving over. In fact that move was identical to Alonso putting Vettel on the grass at Monza. Literally identical. Neither move is ok, but Alonso has happily driven like that against other people.

Not ok. But Fernando seems to think it's ok to do.

They just showed a bunch of replays on Sky & Magnussen moved to defend, Alonso got alongside & Magnussen moved again & put Alonso on the grass.

There was a car width gap, Alonso got in it & Kevin moved again.

In the hairipin overtake,so I'm talking the first try from Alonso like 5,6 laps to go,Alonso was alongside,and Mags was inside,oversteered and corrected,on bad tires,hadn't Alonso backed off,there would be a collision for sure. That's the reason for the reaction.
Later on he pushed him to the grass on the Kemmel straight,while doing 300+ kph,that's just ridiculous,one thing is defending,but another is being dangerous for others and yourself.

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I remember that move, also really dangerous.

I think I read last year that the driver in front must leave a full car width between himself and the edge of the track, which ostensibly prevents a following driver from being pushed off in the first place. However, I'm not sure it applies to corner exits.

As for Alonso's 5-sec penalty - wasn't Ralf Schumacher actually disqualified for the exact same offence at Canada a few years ago?

If the rule is you cannot leave less than 1 cars width, then Lewis is 100% at fault as Rosberg was a nose alongside, and wasn't left a cars width.

But of course common sense tells you Lewis was not at fault for that accident. So the idea doesn't work.

I still thought that the stewards would issue a "no further action for him"

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But he was alongside. Even if it was a slight overlap, it's still an overlap, otherwise they wouldn't have touched

Rosberg's entitled to have a go around the outside there. He had a run on him and there was a gap. He did realise it wasn't going to work and was backing out of it. But Lewis just turned in anyway, even though he hadn't fully cleared him

Lewis knew he had someone on his inside. He's not totally lacking in spatial awareness. He chose to squeeze him. He's done it before - I've already given an example. He thinks he can just force someone on the apex into braking and conceding a place, and so he can't really complain when someone doesn't back down and they collide. Rosberg might have made the passing attempt but the collision was avoidable until Lewis decided to take his normal line and squeeze him

As I said, I think if it was the other way around, the response would be "Hamilton have a go early on in the race like a True Racer but Rosberg chopped him off". It's all about perception. I hope Rosberg wins the title now, because it's now clear who Mercedes want to win it - they'll try and cover it up with neutral statements in the future but they've shown their true colours today in their emotional reaction to the incident



I don't see how "common sense" makes any difference here. If the rule is to leave a car's width, and Hamilton didn't do that, surely it's an illegal defence regardless

Would you have believed that if someone said that would happen a year ago? It's so weird, but at the same time so fantastic.

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Brundle spoke to Pirelli & apparently if the front wing touches the area from the top of the sidewall to the top of the Pirelli logo there's a 90% chance of a puncture. However if it touches the tread or the lower part of the sidewall/rim there's a very low chance of a puncture.

Vettel is being...well...Vetteled.

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20.4 and 20.5 cover Alonso and Mags's respective incidents, and the lack of specific mention of what should occur when a driver takes a normal line should explain why there was no investigation into Rosberg/Hamilton.

Vettel was much much closer maybe even a bit in front with Lewis and he saw this wont work so he had to use the runn off tarmac...
But Nico thought it can. But it didnt work out...
But he forgot how both Torro Rossos overtook him there in 2012

Vettel took too much downforce out of the car. It was really noticeable on the timing; he was good in S1 and S3 and a second behind Ricciardo in S2. Probably a consequence of him having a grand total of 11 laps dry running on Friday (thanks Renault!), meaning that he had to suck it and see.

Not to take anything away from Ricciardo, though, to drive as well as he did to be able to hinder a Mercedes on all parts of the track is hugely impressive.

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Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.