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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:53 pm 
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McLaren has a shit car this year, don't read too much into their drivers performance this year.


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It is the first time this person has been given an average to poor car and they do not know how to handle the situation nor improve the car. There is an ego issue as well as a perception issue around this person's talent. He is highly regarded but lacks the edge he had the previous year. He's supposed to be beating his team mate more regularly, even though he's showing well and keeping up with his vastly more experienced team mate quite often, but there are still mistakes (which should be expected considering his relative inexperience). The team are growing frustrated but it's likely he'll get a second chance to prove his naysayers wrong.

Now then. Am I talking about Perez, or Button in 2001?

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And what do people remember from Bahrain? The tyres wearing out very quickly. Mercedes were hilarious.

In that sort of environment, Perez was king. Unfortunately for him, it seems as though Pirelli have been dissuaded from making tyres like that ever again, so he's now in a hole.

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Perez was kinda tricked, he really believed that he could win races just by driving a mclaren

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Perez's main issue is qualifying. Aside from the F3 national class (which was basically just him), he's taken just the one pole position in his career.

RtN is right in that tyre preservation is his key ally. Sauber was getting irritated with his arrogance in 2012 and while that's less prominent, McLaren is supposedly not best pleased with his technical feedback.

I'd agree that he could do with a decent car before he's thrown out, but McLaren is a team that has drivers capable of fighting for titles. I can't see that with Perez.

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RtN wrote:
And what do people remember from Bahrain? The tyres wearing out very quickly. Mercedes were hilarious.

In that sort of environment, Perez was king. Unfortunately for him, it seems as though Pirelli have been dissuaded from making tyres like that ever again, so he's now in a hole.


The problem I have wasn't Jenson being particularly slow, but his attitude. He ran Perez off the road and then radioed the team to complain. Perez then past him, and he radioed the team to complain.

Just shut the fuck up and get on with it.


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the guy can't get enough of himself can he? (and taking the piss at Vettel)


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ellis wrote:
RtN wrote:
And what do people remember from Bahrain? The tyres wearing out very quickly. Mercedes were hilarious.

In that sort of environment, Perez was king. Unfortunately for him, it seems as though Pirelli have been dissuaded from making tyres like that ever again, so he's now in a hole.


The problem I have wasn't Jenson being particularly slow, but his attitude. He ran Perez off the road and then radioed the team to complain. Perez then past him, and he radioed the team to complain.

Just shut the fuck up and get on with it.


Absolutely, Button was poor in Bahrain in more ways than one, but it was the perfect platform for Perez to do his best. He needs the tyres to be borderline for as long as possible next season (if he's around) to be able to put up a fight.

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LucasWheldon wrote:
Perez was kinda tricked, he really believed that he could win races just by driving a mclaren


I think both parties failed here. McLaren for believing they took on the surely-to-be-next-champion and Perez for believing the '13 McLaren, with the continuation of the rules, would be every bit as competitive as the '12 version (just more reliable).


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Tobias wrote:
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the guy can't get enough of himself can he? (and taking the piss at Vettel)



Vettel is really great then huh ??


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Tobias wrote:
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and so as Vettel, but all Fernando can see is himself mirrored everywhere he goes

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Didn't Schumacher also said he was at his best in one of the years after his Ferrari switch? Can't remember the year though.

The similarities between the 2 are pretty big (except the public whining). Both got 2 dominating years with a team (Benetton/Renault), made a switch to Ferrari. Had the disadvantage of racing against Newey Designed cars (Williams/Mclaren and Red Bull). He (Schumacher) lured back Byrne out of his retirement to work at Ferrari, the guy who is now 'consulting' Ferrari on their 2014 car.


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The difference, IMO, is Schumacher really did drive brilliantly in 96 and 97 for example. Ok, ignore the Jerez incident, and the odd mistake like Monaco 96, and Schumacher truly did our perform those cars and his team mates. With Massa, whilst Alonso is ahead 75% of the time, by the time they reach the end of the year, for whatever reason or reasons, Alonso struggles. Vettels had mid-season slumps but he tends to not be too bad during those slumps. But late last season, Alonso wasn't good enough to beat Massa, and that's with 100% backing of the team. Alonso might feel he's a better driver now than he has been, and he might be right. But he also has too many down weekends and is very very bad at coping with pressure.

As for his helmet - if he celebrated taking 3rd in the points (still a significant achievement, far more so than his current one) then that's fine. But this seems silly. How can you celebrate getting more points when you're granted a lot more for the same results?

And as for anyone who is complaining about those talking about Alonsos ego - when he stops providing fuel for that discussion, it'll end on it's own. But I predict more ridiculous tweets and statements once Vettel secures the title.


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Kvyat explains why he was chosen
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I thought Alonso had a real brilliant season in 2010 (except Ferrari's call in Abu Dhabi and Alonso's inability to pass). 2011 also was very good, despite the car. 2012 I agree he lost motivation once his car wasn't up against the others anymore. 2013 I guess is the same story. But he still humiliated Massa in any way possible (Massa hasn't finished any race in front of Alonso this season!!!).


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I thought Alonso had a real brilliant season in 2010 (except Ferrari's call in Abu Dhabi and Alonso's inability to pass). 2011 also was very good, despite the car. 2012 I agree he lost motivation once his car wasn't up against the others anymore. 2013 I guess is the same story. But he still humiliated Massa in any way possible (Massa hasn't finished any race in front of Alonso this season!!!).



Malaysia does not count then?

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It makes me laugh LOL


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Rencken doing what Rencken does best: going on the rampage against F1 politics
http://plus.autosport.com/premium/featu ... t-scandal/

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Fish88 wrote:
I thought Alonso had a real brilliant season in 2010 (except Ferrari's call in Abu Dhabi and Alonso's inability to pass). 2011 also was very good, despite the car. 2012 I agree he lost motivation once his car wasn't up against the others anymore. 2013 I guess is the same story. But he still humiliated Massa in any way possible (Massa hasn't finished any race in front of Alonso this season!!!).



Malaysia does not count then?


I didn't count races were one of them retired.


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Rencken doing what Rencken does best: going on the rampage against F1 politics
http://plus.autosport.com/premium/featu ... t-scandal/


Completely agree with Dieter here.

Very soon, and by that I mean in the next couple of years, we'll have another 2008 style mass exodus of teams thanks to the way events and the terms of the commercial and logistical agreements are structured. The majority of the teams are unable to survive as they are right now. Without hesitation, we could lose Lotus, Caterham, Marussia, Force India and Williams plus Sauber have their backs continuously up against the wall.

Red Bull will contemplate their two teams participation when they go back to pre-2009 form (which is a possibility). So where does that leave F1 then?

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