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Nah, it's about 300m shorter than Fuji. 1.2km - 1.5km. Still very close.


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Turns 14 and 15 remind me of that awful double hairpin on the Indy road course.

I also see no reason why the final corner had to change. At all. Why is it ok for Valencia to have that flat out sequence of bends at the end of the lap, without any run off? Having the wall right against the track often results in a shallower impact. I'm not saying that run off isn't essential to a lot of tracks, but can't we have some challenging scary corners still? Please? Look at the history of this place. Stop ruining it. Thank you.

Any enthusiasm I had about returning to this track has been crushed by a simple drawing. I can only hope it's not the final plan.


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I don't understand in the slightest why on earth they're intending to reduce the radius of 9, 10, 11, 12 and make it a series of kinks instead of corners. The rest I get although the stadium chicanery is overkill.

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RtN wrote:
Eh.

It would have to start hauling to really affect the race.

Might make getting to Japan a bit tricky, though.

http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/w ... o?map=5day


Lo and behold, it has. The storm is forecast to become stronger than the previous forecast suggested, which would increase its poleward movement. It would now pass almost directly over the track at about 8 or 9am JST.

http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/w ... w?map=5day

tl;dr no race on Sunday.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:54 pm 
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won't really matter, the championships over anyway


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:09 pm 
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You are such a ray of sunshine :roll:

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Some changes to the circuit (before it's turned into Atlantis on Sunday):
- The pit exit has been re-aligned. It now runs through the middle of the run-off area at Turn 1.
- The artificial grass on the exit of Turns 1, 3, 10, 13 and 15 has been replaced by a more hard-wearing product. (I.e, resistant to McLarens)
- ’Sausage’ kerbs have been installed at the apex of Turns 4, 5, 9, 11, 13 and 14.
- The verge behind the kerb at the apex of Turn 8 has been laid with concrete.
- The entire verge between the track and the asphalt run-off area around the outside of Turn 11 has been laid with asphalt.
- The verge at the exit of Turn 13 has been extended with asphalt

DRS zones on the pits straight & T2-3.

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so a horrible track has been made abysmal. The only reason I watch this race is because it could well be Tsjernobyl we're talking about.


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I assume we're now talking about Korea, rather than Mexico?

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RtN wrote:
I'm just repeating what DC said. The runoffs at Abu Dhabi are cut by a third because they use Tecpro.

As far as I'm aware, no-one's died at Abu Dhabi as a result of hitting the wall? There was a car fire and a motorbike crash, but apart from that...?


The fire was a result of the Radical being tipped over by the barrier (iirc).

I still think it's tempting fate building a track so that you rely on a safety product first rather than the sensible thing of utilising the existing runoff area to it's maximum.

The reason the corners are all squared off is that's FIA Grade 1 specs, if your bringing a track to the F1 schedule that isn't already on it, your track has to comply, that's why there were collective screams of NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO when someone mentioned putting Road America on the schedule.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:07 pm 
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kals wrote:
I assume we're now talking about Korea, rather than Mexico?


yes


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Tobias wrote:
so a horrible track has been made abysmal. The only reason I watch this race is because it could well be Tsjernobyl we're talking about.


Took me a while to understand that you're not wishing to see a disaster happening on the track this weekend, but how the track will be a deserted monument of once great racing facilities.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:13 pm 
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ah no, I don't expect to see a disaster. But I quite like that harbour you can see in the distance. If you'd tell me this was the CCCP GP, I'd believe it.


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I see what you mean. I like that gritty, industrial type of setting.


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Ian-S wrote:
The reason the corners are all squared off is that's FIA Grade 1 specs, if your bringing a track to the F1 schedule that isn't already on it, your track has to comply, that's why there were collective screams of NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO when someone mentioned putting Road America on the schedule.


I'm not entirely sure that it is a Grade 1 requirement. Istanbul Park, Korea, Bahrain, Sepang, China, etc etc all have corners which aren't squared off. Obviously they all have some which are, but it isn't an obvious requirement.


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If square corners were a Grade 1 requirement New Jersey would have never been on the calendar.

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The uphill sector is pretty fluent, the layout reminds me kinda like Macau.


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Square corners is probably the wrong description, they have to be mostly constant radius. I don't know the precise details because I don't design tracks for the FIA, but I know there's some fairly strict requirements that the circuit has to follow.


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Ian-S wrote:
Square corners is probably the wrong description, they have to be mostly constant radius. I don't know the precise details because I don't design tracks for the FIA, but I know there's some fairly strict requirements that the circuit has to follow.


That does fit the new circuits, but it still seems silly for Mexico because the corners are constant radius. Basically they're updating it to what a modern circuit is like, just for the sake of it being modern. It'll no doubt get flat kerbs and all the rest of it too.


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Yeah I don't think there's any semblance of common sense coming from any quarters in F1 at the moment.


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The problem with the FIA is that most of the people who work at the circuit are friendly and huge motorsport fans.

It's the 'suits' back in Paris that cause the issues...

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