2013 Random F1 Discussion

StefMeister · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:40 pm

FP1 may be extended from 90mins to 2hrs next year with teams encouraged to run there 3rd drivers during that session.

kals · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:42 pm

Gaara wrote:

Meh, unfreeze engine rules. Allow more development, qualifying spec, scrap parc ferme and bring back warm up. Just allow them to spend what they want and if teams go bust then so be it. Scrap the team limit as well, maybe we'd end up with pre qualifying again and get rid of the 107% rule. Mobile chicanes are a part of racing as anything but some of them may not even qualify if you limit the grid size rather then the entry size.

While this is totally the opposite of what should happen this would actually be a good thing, as it would put the entire sport on the brink of collapse and then the teams would probably go and finally set up a rival GP series where they have control and much flexibility while having backing from FIA.

Bleu · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:48 pm

StefMeister wrote:

FP1 may be extended from 90mins to 2hrs next year with teams encouraged to run there 3rd drivers during that session.

Another point is that teams would be allowed to change drivers mid-session.

ellis · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:16 pm

StefMeister wrote:

FP1 may be extended from 90mins to 2hrs next year with teams encouraged to run there 3rd drivers during that session.

The only way the teams will run the 3rd driver is if the rules say they have to. Giving them 2 hours won't do that.

Echti · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:44 pm

Auto, Motor & Sport is - well - let's say "warning" that we might get to see some very ugly cars next year due to the regulation change around the nosecone. From what I have read the noses could look like the McLaren MP4/18 (19) of 2003/2004. Well at least I hope so.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:35 pm

Scotty wrote:

mclaren2008 wrote:

R&D makes up most of a team's expenses I would think.

And entry fees.

Not small teams. Teams like Marussia and HRT's r&d development would have been 2-5% the whole budget. You are right with entry fees but it isn't cheap setting up grand prixs. Costs Melbourne around $50m to set up the track and market the race, and they still lose $35m a race.

HRT had no R&D. They used basically the same car for three years - they brought a Monaco-spec car to Monza.

StefMeister · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:04 pm

kals wrote:

While this is totally the opposite of what should happen this would actually be a good thing, as it would put the entire sport on the brink of collapse and then the teams would probably go and finally set up a rival GP series where they have control and much flexibility while having backing from FIA.

The teams starting up a rival series which they have control over would be a complete disaster.

They can't agree on anything & each team is pushing there own wants & needs as it is. Put them in charge of an actual series & it would be even worse, Each looking out for themselfs with nobody looking out for the best interest's of the series.

They couldn't even agree amongst themselfs on where/when to hold the young driver test last year.

Stewards will have more lenient penalty's to apply for next year:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110018

ellis · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:53 pm

kals wrote:

Gaara wrote:

Meh, unfreeze engine rules. Allow more development, qualifying spec, scrap parc ferme and bring back warm up. Just allow them to spend what they want and if teams go bust then so be it. Scrap the team limit as well, maybe we'd end up with pre qualifying again and get rid of the 107% rule. Mobile chicanes are a part of racing as anything but some of them may not even qualify if you limit the grid size rather then the entry size.

While this is totally the opposite of what should happen this would actually be a good thing, as it would put the entire sport on the brink of collapse and then the teams would probably go and finally set up a rival GP series where they have control and much flexibility while having backing from FIA.

And then it'd collapse when Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, etc all throw hissy fits when they can't get what they want. Frankly, I don't think they'd even be able to agree on the time they'd have the first meeting to discuss a breakaway series, nevermind actually set one up.

Champ Car managed what, 4, 5 seasons with the teams in charge before it collapsed? And that's a series that doesn't have to put up with massive companies running the teams.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:04 pm

I think Bob Fearnley summed it up correctly: "My view is that the teams can't agree what day it is, never mind be able to agree cost-cutting measures."

The issue is that you have 11 teams with different perspectives all trying to get the best deal. It's plainly obvious why it doesn't work.

Equally, Tony Fernandes isn't the best person to go around preaching about the best way to run a sports team.

Cheeveer · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:19 pm

I hope there'll be dozen of car failures every race next year.

Echti · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:41 pm

dicksplaash wrote:

I hope there'll be dozen of car failures every race next year.

Pretty sure the retirement rate won't be any different compared to this year despite the new engine rules.

RtN · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:14 pm

New Jersey back on.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110055

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:30 pm

At least Korea's out of the way early on. Triple header will be fun. Add in the 4 tests and there's going to be some destroyed personnel by the end of the season.

Oh, and Spa is the bank holiday weekend. Arse.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:33 pm

New Jersey, Canada, Mexico, Austin, Brazil all evening races here in the UK. Good Tast.
(What time of day will the Russian race be on at, IF it takes place? )

Can't hurt F1 with its constant desire to penetrate the American ~~Wallet~~ market as well.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:35 pm

I'd guess Russia will be mid-late morning UK time.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:52 pm

Expect Bernie to screw with the local start time so it's a standard 1pm start then.

ellis · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:14 pm

codename_47 wrote:

Expect Bernie to screw with the local start time so it's a standard 1pm start then.

No offense, but seriously? That's your complaint? That Russia might get moved a couple of hours, which makes literally no difference to anybody, even in the paddock?

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:18 pm

Ok so sometimes I come across as complaining when I'm just...pointing out what I expect to happen that I have no feeling towards either way?

Erm...sorry

ryan86 · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:21 pm

Is there any reason Monaco can't be moved forward a week?

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:25 pm

Isn't the Friday a public holiday (the reason why F1 practice is on the Thursday) and has always been associated with the race since it began?

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