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| Author: | Omega [ Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
Shaddix wrote: Jeez, I made that post after he was cleared out of the hospital, you make it sound like I'm laughing with someone who's cripple. What's the fuzz about? Get a life guys. you're on the internet. What sort of reactions did you expect? |
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| Author: | Shaddix [ Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
Scotty wrote: Shaddix wrote: Jeez, I made that post after he was cleared out of the hospital, you make it sound like I'm laughing with someone who's cripple. What's the fuzz about? Get a life guys. Well I hope you end up in hospital for 'karma' for that stupid post then. See? Good, I'll keep you posted. |
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| Author: | Coldtyre [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
It's weird how it is accepted how close the driver's butt is to the track, while every other possible impact (front/rear/side/rollhoop) is subject to clearance criteria and/or crash structures. |
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| Author: | webbsy [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
That's a really good point there actually that I hadn't thought about. Does the FIA have a mandate that there has to be some cusioning that the seat sits on? |
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| Author: | Coldtyre [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
Scotty wrote: There is no way any designer wants to raise the driver up even 5mm from where they currently sit. The centre of gravity calculations would go out the window and would have to rebuild and redesign the car from scratch. This is like saying the designers would prefer a smaller/shorter nosecone if it weren't for front crash-test specifications. Of course they do. Safety is always an added constraint in engineering and wouldn't be the slightest bit included in a competitive design if it wasn't for the technical regulations, and that's what we're talking about here, not the designers' view of it. |
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| Author: | Shaddix [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
Scotty wrote: Shaddix wrote: something that you carry on the rest of your life Bullshit. Kimi has been carrying a back injury for 10 years after that accident testing at Magny Cours. Sizeably larger accident, but same part of the body. Your spine does not rest easily, you insensitive prick. Scotty, I'm done discussing. I do not wish anything bad for Alonso, it was just a stupid joke, move on. |
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| Author: | NextDimensional- [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
This thread should be closed. Race is over, move on, maybe? |
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| Author: | gd49 [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
Scotty wrote: coldtyre wrote: Scotty wrote: There is no way any designer wants to raise the driver up even 5mm from where they currently sit. The centre of gravity calculations would go out the window and would have to rebuild and redesign the car from scratch. This is like saying the designers would prefer a smaller/shorter nosecone if it weren't for front crash-test specifications. Of course they do. Safety is always an added constraint in engineering and wouldn't be the slightest bit included in a competitive design if it wasn't for the technical regulations, and that's what we're talking about here, not the designers' view of it. Yeah safety is always a constraint, but for the last 30 years, the driver has been sitting at the lowest point of the car, great for CoG. Any thoughts on why we're seeing more spinal injuries now than in previous decades of racing? Is it because the chassis's themselves are stronger than they used to be? |
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| Author: | kals [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
Are we? Kimi has a reoccurring injury from a previous accident in 2001 (something similar what I've got from a car accident in 1999). Whereas Alonso hit a curb, went to the hospital and has been given the all clear. That's only two and being pedantic, they aren't even in the same decade. |
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| Author: | Coldtyre [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:38 pm ] |
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Cars flying is already a rarity so it's not like we'll see much of these, but I believe the risk is somewhat heightened nowadays by the all-tarmac run offs and high curbs on the side. Indeed it will take someone landing his ass square on a high curb because anything is done, but it's still very unlikely. Flat landings are the crashes that make me cringe the most in open-wheelers nowadays (also rear-impacts with little damage) because they give you that feeling that the driver gets the whole impact on his back, while a crash that destroys the nosecone/sidepod looks "soft" if that makes any sense. |
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| Author: | kals [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
That's very true. In fact it is that type of flat landing that injured Mansell back in Japan 1987, the injury being compounded by his car landing on the edge of the track. Some time back I posed a question (as did other people above) about the chance of there being some form padding or energy absorption built into the drivers seat or under the seat. Scotty gave a good answer against it. Let me see if I can find it. |
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| Author: | gd49 [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
kals wrote: Are we? Kimi has a reoccurring injury from a previous accident in 2001 (something similar what I've got from a car accident in 1999). Whereas Alonso hit a curb, went to the hospital and has been given the all clear. That's only two and being pedantic, they aren't even in the same decade. Sorry, I meant within all open wheel racing, not just limited to F1 - Alonso is the latest one, but there's also been spinal injuries in F3, Indycar and GP2. |
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| Author: | kals [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
Ok I understand your point. But I don't think now is any more different than decades in the past. In the past, drivers would sustain back injuries in various types of incident. |
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| Author: | Tobias [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:20 pm ] |
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| Author: | OS [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
That reminds me. Kimi's vacating the circuit struck me with the contrast of when Vettel retired on Lap 1 with a puncture having sewn the title up weeks before, and still went to watch the race on the pit wall with the engineers. |
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| Author: | Shaddix [ Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
OS wrote: That reminds me. Kimi's vacating the circuit struck me with the contrast of when Vettel retired on Lap 1 with a puncture having sewn the title up weeks before, and still went to watch the race on the pit wall with the engineers. And still people think it's Vettel who is the spoiled kid... |
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| Author: | scarsurfing [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
“It was good fun and nobody got hurt” 
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| Author: | scarsurfing [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 Abu Dhabi GP |
 No wonder he has a back problem just googled his crashes 
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