2013 Random F1 Discussion

Mika Kimi · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:13 am

Marussia is already working with McLaren.

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And now they are getting Ferrari engines.

StefMeister · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:55 am

Daniel Ricciardo will run for Red Bull in the test this week.

Mike Coughlan's left Williams, Been replaced as technical director by Pat Symonds with immediate effect.

Marussia will have Ferrari engine's next year.

Mika Kimi · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:30 am

How long has Coughlan been with Williams? Not very long if I'm correct.

Coldtyre · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:33 am

Artur Craft wrote:

Omega wrote:

LucasWheldon wrote:

Sirotkin might become the first driver to race at F1 borned after the last driver fatality in F1

useless statistic

On the Sauber buy-in: I really see them being humiliated by Caterham and Marussia in every race in 2014

Yeah, useless statistic(btw, "born" is already past Lucas), but there is no way Sauber can be even near any of those teams, nevermind being humiliated by any of them

It's not useless, he's from a new generation that doesn't know firsthand that you can die in an F1 car.
Psychologically, it's a quite different approach to racing compared to drivers who watched it on TV while young or worse, those who witnessed it right there in the pits then raced a few minutes later.

Shaddix · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:46 am

People still died in Indycar, Le Mans and F2 though. Can't see the real difference in aproach tbh.

Omega · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:36 am

kals wrote:

Jeez aren't we a bunch of negative nellies today? Sauber announce a positive new partnership which safeguards the future of this popular squad and people use it as a opportunity to whinge and moan. Well, I shouldn't be surprised really.

I don't see it as a positive fact to have a popular midfield team being taken over by a Russian guy with a lot of money. And one of the drivers is a young inexperienced guy who isn't there because of his talent or his money but because of his nationality. You have to be realistic and know that this "new" team is not going to be a midfield runner.

webbsy · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:08 pm

Just imagine what would have happened if that Stefanovic guy got his team a few years back. We would have had a new Moneytron/Monteverdi on our hands...instead we had HRT, which wasn't quite in the same league. Would have been lolz galore.

kals · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:43 pm

Omega wrote:

kals wrote:

Jeez aren't we a bunch of negative nellies today? Sauber announce a positive new partnership which safeguards the future of this popular squad and people use it as a opportunity to whinge and moan. Well, I shouldn't be surprised really.

I don't see it as a positive fact to have a popular midfield team being taken over by a Russian guy with a lot of money. And one of the drivers is a young inexperienced guy who isn't there because of his talent or his money but because of his nationality. You have to be realistic and know that this "new" team is not going to be a midfield runner.

Sauber is being invested by three separate Russian concerns (Investment Corporation International Fund, the State Fund of Development of Northwest Russian Federation and the National Institute of Aviation Technologies), with the Sauber management board retaining complete control. So this isn't a popular midfield team being taken over by a Russian guy with a lot of money.

The control of Sauber may change over the coming years but why should that immediately be seen as a bad thing? Why is the perception that because money is coming from Russia, the end result for Sauber will be bad?

Sirotkin is a decent talent, but as he's young he has time to mature. How about we give him the benefit of the doubt? I'd kill to have been lined up for F1 by the time I was 18, instead of preparing myself for my first Formula Vauxhall Jnr races.

webbsy · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:35 pm

Well Kals, Putin seems to want to control everything Russia, and those concerns are being either state controlled or having some form of state sponsorship....so yes there IS a rich Russian guy controlling everything.

StefMeister · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:59 pm

Mika Kimi wrote:

How long has Coughlan been with Williams? Not very long if I'm correct.

He signed with Williams in May 2011.

kals · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:02 pm

webbsy wrote:

Well Kals, Putin seems to want to control everything Russia, and those concerns are being either state controlled or having some form of state sponsorship....so yes there IS a rich Russian guy controlling everything.

LOL well this is a fantastic way of proving me wrong! :lol:

RtN · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:12 pm

I wasn't on the forum in 2005. Was there this much bitching when Dr. Theissen turned up with his blank chequebook?

Tobias · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:26 pm

StefMeister wrote:

Mika Kimi wrote:

How long has Coughlan been with Williams? Not very long if I'm correct.

He signed with Williams in May 2011.

dare I suggest, in the anticipation of Raikkonen joining the team for 2012 backed by Arabian money.

RtN · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:40 pm

That wasn't even a thing back then, Coughlan was hired because he was best person on the market.

And I maintain that the reason why the 2013 car is so much worse than the 2012 edition is Rubens. Hard to generate good development data when both of your drivers are in their second season.

kals · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:48 pm

RtN wrote:

I wasn't on the forum in 2005. Was there this much bitching when Dr. Theissen turned up with his blank chequebook?

Correct, there was not. Neither was there bitching when Alex Schnaider or Vijay Mallya came along.

Tobias · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:11 pm

I do recall reading a lot of Farce Indias though.

RtN · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:14 pm

I think that was due to the fact that it had been sold twice in about 2 1\2 years. Which is pretty farcial.

It is to Mallya's credit that despite all of his other problems he has not flogged Force India to the first bidder and instead found investment. Much like Kalternborn has here...

Also, it turns out that Lotus' new investors haven't actually invested yet. They jumped the gun.

Gaara · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:17 pm

Yeaa, having four different names in four seasons was pretty daft.

RtN · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:18 pm

Oh, fuck, I forgot that Michel Mol bought it too. That's 3 times in 3 1\2 years.

micha · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:21 pm

Tobias wrote:

I do recall reading a lot of Farce Indias though.

And I recall reading a lot about Crapland F1. Might have been somewhere else.

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