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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:40 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:16 am 
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Indian Grand Prix organisers have dismissed rumours that the event could be in doubt for the 2014 season, a spokesperson for Jaypee Sports International has stated: "Some international news organisations are trying to spread rumours that JPSI may not host 2014 Indian GP. This is totally baseless and malicious, our agreement with Formula One Management is to hold F1 races at Buddh International Circuit (BIC) till 2015, and we are fully committed to do that. There is no reason for us to give up hosting F1 races. In fact, JPSI is keen to get some more international car and bike races to BIC, besides F1 and the World Superbike Championship which will be held this year on November 17. We are fully committed to promote motorsport in India in collaboration with local government and global and local motorsport organisations." Earlier IBNLive reported, India may not be on the calendar for 2014 because the organiser is said to be near bankruptcy.


The tracks nice, but the crowds last year were bad, wouldn't be a great loss to anyone to see this (and Korea) not on next years calendar.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:20 am 
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German press suggesting that Lauda tried to cut a deal by pleading guilty. Brawn + Wolff rejected this idea and will take their chances.

Horner is also at the hearing.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:10 am 
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The first hour or so has seen Mercedes well and truly fucked up the wrong'un.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108152

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:35 am 
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Pirelli to be banned for two races. More durable bicycle tyres to be replacement.

seriously though, I have the feeling the outcome might be a very hard punishment. I can see Mercedes being banned for a race and Brawn having to go.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:43 am 
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Brawn will go regardless of the verdict. He's already said it was his decision. A guilty verdict means he'll be the fall guy, not-guilty means he'll stay a little longer and a 'reshuffle' will take place at the start of 2014 with Lowe becoming principal.

Time for Mercedes's defence.

Pirelli can't be banned. They're not a competitor.

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There will only be losers today I think. If any of the 2 company's involved will get an harsh penalty they will surely rethink their future.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:27 am 
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Mercedes blame Pirelli
http://www.f1zone.net/news/mercedes-tes ... lli/19375/

Main claim is the regs state 'undertaken by' and the test was not undertaken by Mercedes...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:45 am 
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what a shitfest.


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Mercedes trying to throw Ferrari under the bus as well
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108157

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:52 am 
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tbh, that's just despicable.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:02 pm 
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Don't see that working ... a 2011 car is quite different - exhaust/diffuser set up, even without mapping, was fundamentally different to today's detached ones. If you can't use a 2011 car, what can you use? It would need to be a 2008 car if a 2011 isn't different enough. Might be worth them mentioning the Red Bull Traction Control conspiracy while they're at it?

This whole thing is quite merde and F1 in general will be the loser.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:08 pm 
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Mercedes claims Ferrari booked the circuit for their tyre test. There's a bit of tenuous wording on the Autosport website and I can't really figure out whether they did a test with Massa in 2012 or 2013 with an F150.

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"Basically Mercedes made the request to run the 2013 car to the FIA, Charlie Whiting then had an exchange with the in-house legal team at the FIA and it's fascinating to hear the email reponse that came back from Sebastian Barnard, who's the FIA's legal advisor. It goes along the lines of 'in my view any such testing could not actually be undertaken by competitors, it would be argued that this was done by Pirelli. Would we be able to take this position?'

"The response from Sebastian Barnard was 'yes we could take this position, it is not an undertaking from the competitor'. So on the face of it if that's some advice that's been given out there it does seem to suggest that there was this potential loophole that it could be a Pirelli test governed by their commercial contract with F1 and it wouldn't involve the competitor Mercedes and they wouldn't be in breach of the regulations."


And thus it swings back in Merc's favour.

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"...swings back..."

Was it ever in Merc's favour to begin with?

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Well this makes sense and now I can understand why Mercedes was pretty confident for today.

Whatever the result, I just hope they stay in F1.


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I get the feeling that Mercedes are in a damned if they do and damned if they don't moment. The FIA would never admit that they are incompetent and biased towards themselves.

I know that Jean Todt doesn't actually have the final say in this (does he?) but I find it ironic that he and Brawn were able to pull a swifty over the tribunal in 1999 over their bargeboard shenanigans which was soo much more blatant than this....some how I don't think Brawn will pull this one off.


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Todt doesn't have a say (directly) which is why he set the IT up; as a response to Spygate when Mosley did everything to screw Dennis.

I think appeals can take place though.

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Apologies in advance, but after seeing the latest headline on Autosport.com I couldn't help myself...

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Also in that AutoSport article Brawn said this:

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Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn admitted it was 'inevitable' that his squad would have gained some knowledge from its Pirelli test, but insists such information would not have been a competitive advantage.

Brawn clarified that car telemetry at the test was kept active for safety reasons, but had subsequently been archived in a secure server at the team's Brackley headquarters to guarantee that it could not be used.

When pushed by the FIA lawyer on the fact that any running time with a current car is a benefit, so Mercedes must have gained knowledge, Brawn said: "I think that is unavoidable, and was a consideration taken into account when we had permission from the FIA to do the test. But it does need to be kept in proportion."


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