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2011 Grand Prix de Monaco
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Author:  StefMeister [ Mon May 30, 2011 1:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Prix de Monaco 2011
coldtyre wrote:
But seriously, the officials need to define "avoidable collision".
I agree.

The thing I don't get about this avoidable contact penalty is that sometimes drivers are penalised when no harm was done to the other driver.

Di Resta today for instance hit the car ahead & as far as im aware only did damage to his own front wing so had basically already penalised himself. Same when Alonso clipped the back of Hamilton at Sepang, He basically penalised himself & it didn't effect Hamilton's race.


I feel that a penalty should only be handed out if contact is made which results in the car which wasn't at fault for the collision suffering damage, getting spun off & losing time/places or getting taken out the race there & then.

If contact was made which resulted in no damage to either car or only affect's the car who's was at fault for the contact I see no reason to penalise anybody.
Author:  Brooney [ Mon May 30, 2011 2:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Prix de Monaco 2011
Looked at the replay of the hairpin accident, I'd say both Hamilton and Massa should have a penalty in some way or other, Hamilton took a clean move on the inside, but Massa doesn't give him space and takes the corner as always and collides with Hamilton so he has to drive on the curb. After that does it look like Hamilton takes a wide exit of the corner and continuously pushes into the side of Massa.
Author:  pdukers [ Mon May 30, 2011 2:30 am ]
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Brooney wrote:
After that does it look like Hamilton takes a wide exit of the corner and continuously pushes into the side of Massa.


In such a tight corner the drivers are using full lock on the steering wheel in order to get around the corner. So running a tighter line is physically impossible, hence Hamilton running wide into Massa.
Author:  Karan [ Mon May 30, 2011 3:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Prix de Monaco 2011
It was an excessively ambitious move by Hamilton, thats clear.
But Massa defended a tad too hard, and should've realized he was coming and left for margin for error there.
Author:  Gabriel [ Mon May 30, 2011 4:08 am ]
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Author:  Peter [ Mon May 30, 2011 4:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Prix de Monaco 2011
Is there a need for stewards? Seriously.
Author:  Peter [ Mon May 30, 2011 5:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rate the 2011 Monaco Grand Prix
Not enough overtakings for my taste so I gave it a 7.
Author:  Xen [ Mon May 30, 2011 6:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Prix de Monaco 2011
Brooney wrote:
Looked at the replay of the hairpin accident, I'd say both Hamilton and Massa should have a penalty in some way or other, Hamilton took a clean move on the inside, but Massa doesn't give him space and takes the corner as always and collides with Hamilton so he has to drive on the curb. After that does it look like Hamilton takes a wide exit of the corner and continuously pushes into the side of Massa.


So that's what we call a racing incident, and no penalties for both drivers ! Why the FIA has to penalize everybody all the time. As said, the drivers will now try even less to overtake. I think GP2 is too extreme sometimes with the drivers not using their brain, but come on F1 is more mature than this and I think we don't need all those penalties. And usually the driver who is penalized with a DT has already suffered from his failed move.
Author:  Juihi [ Mon May 30, 2011 7:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driver of the Race - Monaco
Even though I'm not a fan of his, I went with Button, drove superbly
Author:  Scirocco [ Mon May 30, 2011 7:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Prix de Monaco 2011
Massa didn't block him. Hamilton just had his sight on his lines which because of Massa in the distance it wasn't perfect so he gave up, he could of easily kept going and not lost time. It's a perfect example how F1 drivers are way to soft and complain too much.

Also Hamilton's interview was pretty sad. Sure it was probably a joke but it didn't need to be said. Now the media is going to play on that and make it even worse which is bad for F1 and Hamilton really.
Author:  Juihi [ Mon May 30, 2011 7:40 am ]
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Scirocco wrote:
Also Hamilton's interview was pretty sad. Sure it was probably a joke but it didn't need to be said. Now the media is going to play on that and make it even worse which is bad for F1 and Hamilton really.
Author:  aerogi [ Mon May 30, 2011 8:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rate the 2011 Monaco Grand Prix
9.
Author:  aerogi [ Mon May 30, 2011 8:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rate the 2011 Monaco Grand Prix
Peter wrote:
Not enough overtakings for my taste so I gave it a 7.


We're talking Monaco, remember?
Author:  phil1993 [ Mon May 30, 2011 8:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Prix de Monaco 2011
pdukers wrote:
Brooney wrote:
After that does it look like Hamilton takes a wide exit of the corner and continuously pushes into the side of Massa.


In such a tight corner the drivers are using full lock on the steering wheel in order to get around the corner. So running a tighter line is physically impossible, hence Hamilton running wide into Massa.


If thats the case, then how did Schumacher overtake Hamilton at the hairpin?

Talk about an 'Oh shit' picture
Image

& Kamui :D
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Author:  Ospi [ Mon May 30, 2011 9:37 am ]
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yes great overtaking maneuver...
Author:  Fabs [ Mon May 30, 2011 9:39 am ]
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lol and he wasn't penalised right ? Amazin.
Author:  Scirocco [ Mon May 30, 2011 9:45 am ]
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It's because hes asian he can't see properly
Author:  phil1993 [ Mon May 30, 2011 9:48 am ]
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Yeah, its what I never understand

Hamilton and Maldonado collide - 20s penalty
Kobayashi and Sutil collide - reprimand.
Author:  Juihi [ Mon May 30, 2011 10:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Prix de Monaco 2011
Looks like Kimi was at Monaco for the race with the Dudesons

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 8037_n.jpg


This one must have been when they were at the Nationwide race
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 5480_n.jpg
Author:  Mr.Maximum [ Mon May 30, 2011 10:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rate the 2011 Monaco Grand Prix
9.
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