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Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2022
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Author:  LucasWheldon [ Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2022
The best fix without compromising performance is to put an active suspension on the cars. But if they push for that mid season that could swing order once again
Author:  Gabriel [ Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2022
This is from a not-even-close aerodynamicist (me):

What if they increase the minimum ride height, but allow side skirts to help "seal" the floor to get at least a bit of ground effect, but not enough to actually stall the underfloor and create the bouncing?
Author:  Omega [ Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2022
They should measure the maximum bouncing that is allowed. If your car can stay under the limit, good job. If you go over it, you have to adjust your car until it reaches the limit. But there should not be a mandatory new rule that punishes all cars, even those who did a better job.
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2022
Gabriel wrote:
This is from a not-even-close aerodynamicist (me):

What if they increase the minimum ride height, but allow side skirts to help "seal" the floor to get at least a bit of ground effect, but not enough to actually stall the underfloor and create the bouncing?


Unfortunately this would probably make it just as bad - the stall happens because the floor generates more and more downforce as speed increases.
Author:  Gabriel [ Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2022
gkmotorsport wrote:
Gabriel wrote:
This is from a not-even-close aerodynamicist (me):

What if they increase the minimum ride height, but allow side skirts to help "seal" the floor to get at least a bit of ground effect, but not enough to actually stall the underfloor and create the bouncing?


Unfortunately this would probably make it just as bad - the stall happens because the floor generates more and more downforce as speed increases.


Yes, I meant the side skirts to prevent the car from being sucked into the ground as much as it is now, reducing the effect of downforce and therefore avoiding the stalling.
Author:  codename_47 [ Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2022
Gabriel wrote:
gkmotorsport wrote:
Gabriel wrote:
This is from a not-even-close aerodynamicist (me):

What if they increase the minimum ride height, but allow side skirts to help "seal" the floor to get at least a bit of ground effect, but not enough to actually stall the underfloor and create the bouncing?


Unfortunately this would probably make it just as bad - the stall happens because the floor generates more and more downforce as speed increases.


Yes, I meant the side skirts to prevent the car from being sucked into the ground as much as it is now, reducing the effect of downforce and therefore avoiding the stalling.


Sliding skirts is the answer

No porpoising and occasional blowovers is the answer we all want :whistling:
Author:  EAS [ Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2022
How about speed limits on straights? That would be awesome!!!
Author:  Omega [ Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2022
EAS wrote:
How about speed limits on straights? That would be awesome!!!

chicanes made of tyres!
Author:  Gabriel [ Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2022
Not sure if being made fun of
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2022
Gabriel wrote:
Not sure if being made fun of


I think the target of the abuse is the FIA's previous attempts at safety fixes :lol:
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2022
Gabriel wrote:
gkmotorsport wrote:
Gabriel wrote:
This is from a not-even-close aerodynamicist (me):

What if they increase the minimum ride height, but allow side skirts to help "seal" the floor to get at least a bit of ground effect, but not enough to actually stall the underfloor and create the bouncing?


Unfortunately this would probably make it just as bad - the stall happens because the floor generates more and more downforce as speed increases.


Yes, I meant the side skirts to prevent the car from being sucked into the ground as much as it is now, reducing the effect of downforce and therefore avoiding the stalling.


Ironically, skirts actually provide a massive increase to the downforce because they seal the sides of the car, giving only one entry and exit. Lotus discovered the benefits while trying to stop the sidepods on the 78 from sagging, IIRC.

I think most series that have kept ground effects (like IndyCar) avoided them to limit the downforce. The only exception to this I can think of was the World Series by Renault/Nissan/Formula Renault 3.5 cars, and even they didn't touch the ground.
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