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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:14 pm 
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dicksplaash wrote:
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Ford won in 1994, but let's just pretend Benetton was Renault back then :p


Williams-Renault won the constructors title.


ah I forgot it was constructors. but it was all those that set more effort to win. after turbo era you couldn't see cosworth, Peugeot and other ones making development

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Hmm, the constructors can actually be stretched back to 1986, as Williams-Honda won that then. Prost in the McLaren-TAG Porsche and Schumacher in the Benetton-Ford are the only champions without a Honda, Renault, Ferrari or Mercedes since 1985!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:13 pm 
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kals wrote:
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He designed the engine?
He knew the engine was going the suck?

I'm an Alonso fanboy aka idiot so you'll have to explain it to me


It's pretty simple. It's a case of karma for Alonso. If he didn't run his mouth off at every team he's with, he wouldn't get himself into shitty situations. He could have been winning with a far better Ferrari in 2015, but no, he spent 2-3 years bitching about the team to the media and in 2014 they finally had enough and showed him the door.

And no, you're not an idiot.

Iono, I'd start bitching as well, you saw how quickly Vettel was dissappointed even though he won 4 titels with RBR.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:38 am 
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Considering all the things Ron Dennis was saying this time last year about how surprised they were and how amazing the engine was, you can excuse Fernando for feeling like he was possibly duped. We fans certainly were.

But your point Kals is still valid, he has history, but aren't all of the top line drivers by their very nature ruthless manipulative dicks? Some just more so than others.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:04 am 
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Bernie supposedly 'punished' Mercedes with the lack of coverage because Mercedes don't want to supply RBR with their engines.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:34 pm 
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It is a conflicted nee contradictory view I have on Alonso. On one hand we want drivers to be less automatons and have free speech as it is far more interesting. Yet on the other hand, Alonso has been using exactly the same tactic for 10 years now and he hasn't changed. It's not just about frustration for not winning but a calculated attempt to get attention for a need. Whereas his peers like Hamilton, Vettel, Button, etc... have all developed over time.

It is the definition of insanity in play. Alonso keeps doing the same thing over and over again and expects different results. 10 years on and nothing has changed. I don't think any of us expected 2015 to be as bad as it is, but like dicksplaash said, it should be considered a development year and refocus on 2016. Or maybe Alonso's 2016 focus is back with the yellow teapot?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:45 pm 
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there's one way to make Alonso win again. sack boullier and bring Briatore to McLaren

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Unfortunatley no. Even if Brawn and some other pepole go to Mclaren..., when the car is shit you cant do nothing.
But Mclaren managed it in 2009. From the slowest car to the fastest. But it was to late then.. but they did it.
But today when everything is so restricted i doubt it.


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But the car isn't actually that bad this year. It's all down to the engine.


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Gaara wrote:
But the car isn't actually that bad this year. It's all down to the engine.


That's up for debate. 50% of the paddock and media feel the car is on par with Ferrari and Red Bull, yet the other 50% think it is a poor one at best.

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kals wrote:
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But the car isn't actually that bad this year. It's all down to the engine.


That's up for debate. 50% of the paddock and media feel the car is on par with Ferrari and Red Bull, yet the other 50% think it is a poor one at best.


It's clearly decent, but when so much of the focus is on the engine they simply can't put a huge effort on the chassis. The question is how decent, too, as the engine hides a lot.

The primary problem is the Energy Store. The car runs out of juice at the end of the straight. Initial deployment is good, but that runs out. Hence why at Spa over a lap it was in the ballpark (within a couple of tenths) until Eau Rouge but then just dropped away. It's clear that at circuits where engine is less of an issue, the car is properly in the midfield. Of course that's not good enough, but they're just so far behind their rivals due to loss of track time.

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all I will remember after this race is:

Waaa, my engine sucks!
Waaa, our cars were ignored!
Waaa, he didn't give me room!
Waaa, my driver says the engine sucks!
The crash of Kvyat.

That's about it I think. Who won? Don't care.


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I guess we'll be just like in Vettel domination years, just waiting for the season to end

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Finally saw a replay of the start. It's amazing that Lewis got away with that, divebombing and pushing Rosberg off the road. Really silly that this shit is allowed. Rosberg should have let the contact happen, but we all know that the team would have pubicly castrated him for doing anything that would undermine Lewis.


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How is running side by side into a corner a divebomb?

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crashing into Hamilton would be worser for him, as Vettel would take the lead and move up in points table. Just remember 1995 season, when Hill crashed into Schumacher twice and that allowed a good position for Michael as Hill didn't scored either

I can say that Rosberg is becoming what Berger, Barrichello and Coulthard were in the past

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Yeah the difference between the two of them in 2015 is extreme compared to last season

As much as I feel Lewis has raised the bar higher in the off season by working on his qualifying pace and other areas he was weaker in 2014, it's also as it nico has taken his championship loss last year as a massive demotivator and just takes it as read Lewis is the better driver so demotivated himself

If nico and Lewis were putting on Bahrain 2014 style races every week I'm sure the rate threads would go from about a 5 average to a 7 or 8. A lead battle is so important.

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That would be kewl, but Mercedes isn't allowing it.


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