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2020 Formula One Random Discussion Thread
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Author:  gkmotorsport [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:20 am ]
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Coldtyre wrote:
Stroll is this generation's Pedro Diniz.


[gfy]BonyAlienatedCaterpillar[/gfy]

Holy crap, you're completely right.
Author:  Shaddix [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:45 am ]
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chetishappy wrote:
With new paid driver coming in, wonder if people will give better credit to Stroll. He is a good kid with not so bad performance.

True, especially the "good kid" part is a benefit over Mazepin. I don't think Mazepin will be much slower compared to Stroll.
Author:  James B [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:26 am ]
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Coldtyre wrote:
Stroll is this generation's Pedro Diniz.


People overestimate how good Pedro Diniz was tbh. Outqualifying Damon Hill once or twice does not make you a good F1 driver. Stroll just took a pole position, has led grands prix and has three podiums to his name. He's more an Andrea de Cesaris level driver
Author:  Coldtyre [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:07 am ]
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James B wrote:
Coldtyre wrote:
Stroll is this generation's Pedro Diniz.


People overestimate how good Pedro Diniz was tbh. Outqualifying Damon Hill once or twice does not make you a good F1 driver. Stroll just took a pole position, has led grands prix and has three podiums to his name. He's more an Andrea de Cesaris level driver

Scratch what I said, I like this comparison better, especially if you factor in the wacky collisions every once in a while.

Then again Diniz never was never in a podium-level car (well, he was exactly once in his career, at the 1997 Hungarian GP :lol: ).
Author:  mclaren2008 [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:09 am ]
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Coldtyre wrote:
Stroll is this generation's Pedro Diniz.


complete with rollover :8:
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:18 am ]
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James B wrote:
Coldtyre wrote:
Stroll is this generation's Pedro Diniz.


People overestimate how good Pedro Diniz was tbh. Outqualifying Damon Hill once or twice does not make you a good F1 driver. Stroll just took a pole position, has led grands prix and has three podiums to his name. He's more an Andrea de Cesaris level driver


I think the truth lies somewhere between those two points. Diniz wasn't completely trashed by Hill (despite Hill having more experience and having had the advantage of testing Bridgestone tyres in 1996), and actually outscored Salo and Jean Alesi in the following years. He was probably one of the better pay drivers and didn't have a copy of last year's championship-winning car to work with at any point.
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:02 pm ]
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mclaren2008 wrote:
Coldtyre wrote:
Stroll is this generation's Pedro Diniz.


complete with rollover :8:


and also seeing the team mate win a race in a complete unusual situation
Author:  sennadesillva [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:11 pm ]
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Did Diniz ever plow into a car on the cool down lap though? :D
Author:  Omega [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:07 pm ]
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sennadesillva wrote:
Did Diniz ever plow into a car on the cool down lap though? :D

Neither did Stroll but I remember Vettel doing this.
Author:  Karan [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:12 pm ]
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Can't blame Stroll for sightseeing and taking in the beautiful architecture of the Sepang grandstands.
Author:  Caspar [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:40 pm ]
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Cheers guys for coming up with a new topic, which is today's twin driver of 90-00?

I'm not sensitive so have at it for me being wrong. I left some out was weird to compare Kimi...

Valtteri Bottas - Heinz-Harald Frentzen
Max Verstappen - Eddie Irvine
Sergio Perez - Alexander Wurz
Daniel Ricciardo - Pedro de la Rosa
Sebastian Vettel - Ricardo Zonta
Charles Leclerc - Mika Häkkinen
Carlos Sainz Jr - Jacques Villeneuve
Alexander Albon - Marc Gené
Lando Norris - David Coulthard
Lance Stroll - Tora Takagi
Pierre Gasly - Olivier Panis
Esteban Ocon - Jean Alesi
Daniil Kvyat - Mika Salo
Nico Hulkenberg - Gerhard Berger
Antonio Giovinazzi - Ralf Schumacher
George Russell - Michael Schumacher
Romain Grosjean - Luca Badoer
Kevin Magnussen - Jan Magnussen
Author:  Omega [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:08 pm ]
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What on earth were your criteria to compare one driver with another? I don't like Vettel, but he was two full race distances ahead of Zonta.

I'm going to take my time to do this proper, but for starters:
Gasley is Frentzen. Promising in early career, didn't deliver in the top team, went back to a midfield team with less pressure and took home some brilliant results.
Author:  Cheeveer [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:14 pm ]
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Caspar wrote:
Cheers guys for coming up with a new topic, which is today's twin driver of 90-00?

I'm not sensitive so have at it for me being wrong. I left some out was weird to compare Kimi...

Valtteri Bottas - Heinz-Harald Frentzen
Max Verstappen - Eddie Irvine
Sergio Perez - Alexander Wurz
Daniel Ricciardo - Pedro de la Rosa
Sebastian Vettel - Ricardo Zonta
Charles Leclerc - Mika Häkkinen
Carlos Sainz Jr - Jacques Villeneuve
Alexander Albon - Marc Gené
Lando Norris - David Coulthard
Lance Stroll - Tora Takagi
Pierre Gasly - Olivier Panis
Esteban Ocon - Jean Alesi
Daniil Kvyat - Mika Salo
Nico Hulkenberg - Gerhard Berger
Antonio Giovinazzi - Ralf Schumacher
George Russell - Michael Schumacher
Romain Grosjean - Luca Badoer
Kevin Magnussen - Jan Magnussen


yeah I don't get this at all

Leclerc as Häkkinen maybe
Author:  JJ [ Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:46 am ]
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Interesting idea. Here are a couple juxtapositions of 90-00 drivers.

Lewis Hamilton - Michael Schumacher, for similar achievements.
Valtteri Bottas - Eddie Irvine, for always playing the second fiddle.
Max Verstappen - Ayrton Senna, for raw speed and aggressiveness.
Kimi Räikkönen - Nelson Piquet, for being an old champion from different era.
Sebastian Vettel - Jacques Villeneuve, for having a superb early career that eventually faded.
Romain Grosjean - Jean Alesi, for never having a stellar car and ending his career with a big crash.
Daniel Ricciardo - Gerhard Berger, for being the joker of the paddock
Charles Leclerc - Mika Häkkinen, for wasting years driving semi-good cars until(?) wins the championship
George Russell - Rubens Barrichello, for looking like promising star early in career but then loses(?) to seasoned GOAT.
Sergio Perez - Giancarlo Fisichella, for being another Force India veteran who has won a GP
Author:  webbsy [ Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:01 am ]
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Caspar wrote:
Cheers guys for coming up with a new topic, which is today's twin driver of 90-00?

I'm not sensitive so have at it for me being wrong. I left some out was weird to compare Kimi...

Valtteri Bottas - Heinz-Harald Frentzen
Max Verstappen - Eddie Irvine
Sergio Perez - Alexander Wurz
Daniel Ricciardo - Pedro de la Rosa
Sebastian Vettel - Ricardo Zonta
Charles Leclerc - Mika Häkkinen
Carlos Sainz Jr - Jacques Villeneuve
Alexander Albon - Marc Gené
Lando Norris - David Coulthard
Lance Stroll - Tora Takagi
Pierre Gasly - Olivier Panis
Esteban Ocon - Jean Alesi
Daniil Kvyat - Mika Salo
Nico Hulkenberg - Gerhard Berger
Antonio Giovinazzi - Ralf Schumacher
George Russell - Michael Schumacher
Romain Grosjean - Luca Badoer
Kevin Magnussen - Jan Magnussen


Those three are the main ones I think you got wrong. Riccardo as De La Rosa??? Seriously? Max as Eddie???? You are taking the piss and I think you meant Hamilton as Schumacher. The rest I pretty much agree on.

Swap Hulkenberg and Riccardo around, Vettel and Sainz around and have Hill replace Irvine for Max. And I think you have a pretty good comparison.
Author:  Caspar [ Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:14 am ]
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Dicksplaash wrote:

yeah I don't get this at all

Leclerc as Häkkinen maybe


There are no criteria, other than my memories of how I perceived a driver of the past. Not necessarily on result. But like, Leclerc and Hakkinen share say a humble personality.

JJ did it better for a competitive approach :mrgreen:
Author:  mclaren2008 [ Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:41 am ]
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Does Leclerc have Sisu
Author:  webbsy [ Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:14 pm ]
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May I present to you exhibit A in why I think this era of F1 is uninspiring shit.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... AOZ7G.html

Judging by all the team members hanging off the pit wall to take a look/listen, they might agree.
Author:  Fabs [ Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:54 pm ]
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The racing was terrible with those cars.
Author:  Coldtyre [ Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:31 pm ]
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Yeah, that era sucked. Nowadays there's something to be excited about when a car is catching another. Back then, you would just sigh waiting for the driver behind to get stuck one second away and have no chance of attempting anything for entire stints.

Races that could have been a Bahrain 2014, ended up being absolute borefests with just the two leaders battling for hundredths while nothing happened (off the top of my mind: Monza 2003, Brazil and Montreal in 2k-whatever with Ralf & Michael "battling").

I much prefer Pirellis, the DRS and no refuelling. You get used to engine noise, it can't save the lack of racing. And oh man, don't get me started on the ugly Alonso-style of underseering into turns and jolting the steering wheel, which is the most uninspiringly unspectacular driving style I've seen. The autostart feature that meant those bastards would jump everyone at the start guaranteed. Traction control with its ugly noise and killing any sort of wheelspin action or turn exit instability. That blue and yellow car holds nothing but shitty memories for me. Fuck it to scrapyards with all the shitboxes of that era that made racing bland and sucked the fun out of it.
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