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What's going to be the biggest surprise of 2016 season?
Ferrari beats Mercedes 11%  11%  [ 9 ]
Williams will stay 3rd in standings 14%  14%  [ 11 ]
McLaren Honda gets podium 37%  37%  [ 29 ]
No wet races 9%  9%  [ 7 ]
Maldonado and Palmer are incredibly reliable and scores in every race 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
People will not complain how boring it is 8%  8%  [ 6 ]
It isn't actually boring at all 16%  16%  [ 13 ]
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Well, Red Bull system is brutal. Either you make it big or you'll get burned big time. Kvyat was great in GP3 and in Toro Rosso but in Red Bull he had as many great races as the bad ones. He was doing great in China, but after that he lost his momentum. He's scored only one single point for STR this season and that's telling something.

As hard it may sound, being fast isn't enough in F1. You need to be able to handle the pressure. And when you go for Red Bull, it's a cement mixer you need to survive if you ever want to win a race. Vettel, Webber, Ricciardo and Verstappen survived. Klien, Bourdais, Algersuari, Buemi and Kvyat didn't. All of them got a really good chance but only few made it to work.

Yeah, it sucks when you're in Kvyat's position and you got to feel for him, nice guy and all, but he just couldn't capitalize it and the downward spiral since Sochi got the best of him. Red Bull gives you wings - or boot.

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Baku clashes with Le Mans again in the draft 2017 schedule :yuk:
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/formu ... 17-816191/


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Fuck Baku, I'm never watching that crap again :lol:


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and again a week between Canada and Azerbaijan (a shitload of distance) but 2 weeks between Baku and Austria (much closer than Canada)

we can guess they pick the dates at random for sure

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Yeah, the teams fly to most of the races any way. It's only the few European back-to-back races where they transport stuff with their trucks. So basically they're flying from Canada to Europe and to Azerbaijan between Monday - Wednesday instead of flying there with one extra week to spare. Ocean freight from Montreal to, say Liverpool, Rotterdam or Hamburg would take about a month. So only if the Canadian GP would be the last race of the season, they could theoretically use other than flying for logistics.

For what I know of, air freight is about 5 to 10 times more expensive than ocean freight or truck freight. So every race outside Europe increases teams' costs quite significantly.

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I was thinking more about the staff condition, as might be very exhausting to team crew to pack and unpack and fly around the world

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Rumors from Mexico say Carlos Slim bought Force India
http://www.posta.com.mx/automovilismo/c ... orce-india

Wouldn't be too surprising with the financial problems of the current owners.


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Scotty wrote:
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and again a week between Canada and Azerbaijan (a shitload of distance) but 2 weeks between Baku and Austria (much closer than Canada)

we can guess they pick the dates at random for sure


Logistics doesn't matter that much any more.

I was told after the Aus GP some teams were already at the airport ready to leave the country at 3am, about 8 hours after the race. The airport was an hour from the track.

They could race in China one week and Brazil the next and time wouldn't matter.

Its not a very cost-effective approach though.

It's not about the distance, it's about the time difference. Guys need to be fit. It is 9 hours between Canada and Baku, that is a lot.


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Scotty wrote:
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So every race outside Europe increases teams' costs quite significantly.


Teams pay stuff all for the logistics costs. FOM pays for the logistics and that comes from the money countries pay for the privilege to host grand prixs. Average country pays what $30m (up to $60m) for a GP multiply that by 21 times you can take care of most of the travel costs.



The teams still have a staff to pay and accomodate. I'm quite sure it's much more expensive to get to the long distance races than the ones that are much closer, but you're probably right that FOM compensates it.


The only problem between Montreal and Baku is what Omega pointed out. 9 hours time difference, especially coming from west to east is a bit heavy alone, then having to do some racing on top of it. Especially if a driver has an accident in first race, he might have difficulties to adjust. Maybe drug tests should be done after Baku? :whistling:

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Done deal. F1 has been bought by the Libery Media Group for many, many zeros.

http://ir.libertymedia.com/releasedetai ... eID=988264


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Wonder if this will result in a rethink of F1's outdated broadcast and online media policies?

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Bernie is still in charge, so nothing will change.


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He's 86. He'll be dead soon.


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So European based F1 will now be owned by an American company?

So long Francorchamps, Monza, Silverstone, and hello Long Beach, Las Vegas and some circuit in Nebraska that still has to be designed but is already on the calender for 2018.


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Why so grim? Maybe Abu Dhabi and Sakhir will be replaced with Watkins Glen and Laguna Seca.

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Why so grim? Maybe Abu Dhabi and Sakhir will be replaced with Watkins Glen and Laguna Seca.

Mrs Krabappel: HA!

They don't bring history, but they bring money so they will be on the calendar until F1 collapses in 2021.


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Actually they saying Europe is of critical importance for F1.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/europ ... rs-820403/

I'm kinda expecting them to have bought it relatively cheap, boost popularity by making some good decisions and then sell off quickly with a big profit. In a way I'm more worried about the next owner.


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Actually they saying Europe is of critical importance for F1.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/europ ... rs-820403/

I'm kinda expecting them to have bought it relatively cheap, boost popularity by making some good decisions and then sell off quickly with a big profit. In a way I'm more worried about the next owner.


Well, what CVC did was buying it "relatively" cheaply, bloat it with some quick money-grabbing decisions (races in the Abu Dhabi, Korea, India, etc), and then sell off it for a big(?) profit(?). I think the scenario you are depicting is what's happening. I'm cautiously optimistic.

See Mark Hughes' article on this: http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opini ... eason-hope


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just 8 billion? what a bargain for the "pinnacle of motorsport"

Bernie says he'll be for more 3 years, but I can guess he'll still be there in 10 years, looking like and old passion fruit kept in a drawer for many years. maybe he even have the same smell

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