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| Author: | MotoKris1 [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
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| Author: | gd49 [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE: Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
Fabs wrote: So when will Pirelli start making softer tyres again? These tyres are so hard, you can do an entire race distance on super softs, that's a joke. Perhaps when the teams stop criticising them for making tyres too soft, and running tyres outside their design limits and blaming Pirelli when they puncture. You can hardly blame Pirelli for reacting to that with ultra durable tyres. Sent from my XT1562 using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | webbsy [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
Quote: Kvyat was initially given a drivethrough penalty (pictured) but the stewards later announced it should have been a 10-second stop/go penalty so made him take that too So judging by that logic then the time that he spent serving his drive through should have been taken away from his race time if he finished? After all he served the wrong penalty so its only logical to give that back to him. But that's logic...a word that doesn't apply to the FIA and the race stewards. |
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| Author: | Juihi [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
It's mental they would even consider giving him a further penalty, the only thing I can think they would be trying to achieve is perhaps both penalties they gave him were the equivalent of what he should have been given |
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| Author: | Mika Kimi [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
Yeah I can fully understand Kvyat's criticism towards the stewards and Charlie. I'm surprised it hasn't gotten more attention in the media since this truly was a major fuck-up. |
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| Author: | Fabs [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE: Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
gd49 wrote: Fabs wrote: So when will Pirelli start making softer tyres again? These tyres are so hard, you can do an entire race distance on super softs, that's a joke. Perhaps when the teams stop criticising them for making tyres too soft, and running tyres outside their design limits and blaming Pirelli when they puncture. You can hardly blame Pirelli for reacting to that with ultra durable tyres. Sent from my XT1562 using Tapatalk In Monaco they're crying the ultra's were too hard for the circuit. Teams should just stfu and not decide what the rules should be. |
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| Author: | gkmotorsport [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE: Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
Fabs wrote: gd49 wrote: Fabs wrote: So when will Pirelli start making softer tyres again? These tyres are so hard, you can do an entire race distance on super softs, that's a joke. Perhaps when the teams stop criticising them for making tyres too soft, and running tyres outside their design limits and blaming Pirelli when they puncture. You can hardly blame Pirelli for reacting to that with ultra durable tyres. Sent from my XT1562 using Tapatalk In Monaco they're crying the ultra's were too hard for the circuit. Teams should just stfu and not decide what the rules should be. Related: The FIA and (indirectly) Pirelli should stop soliciting advice from the teams. I struggle to think of any other type of sport where the competitors are so involved in the rulemaking. |
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| Author: | Fabs [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
Advice about how the tyres should operate is one thing, but completely deciding the design of them is another. I'm sure Ross Brawn and his team will have a look at this. |
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| Author: | gkmotorsport [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
Fabs wrote: Advice about how the tyres should operate is one thing, but completely deciding the design of them is another. I'm sure Ross Brawn and his team will have a look at this. I've emboldened part of your post which Ross Brawn should be very familiar with 
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| Author: | aerogi [ Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
Ultra soft tyres should last no longer then 10 laps, hence the name Get rid of either soft or supersoft and should last about 1/3rd of the race medium should last half a race hard should last the whole race |
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| Author: | mclaren2008 [ Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
but people don't want jelly tyres, they want the drivers to be able to push all race |
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| Author: | Coldtyre [ Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
Didn't we hit the sweet spot in Canada? Vettel had worn his reds and couldn't get past the Force Indias, Ocon (while still pushing) had better managed his than Perez and so was all over him at the end, Vettel could get the ultras and go for the podium... It's the perfect spot we're in really. Anything harder would mean no drama/battles, anything softer would mean people driving conservatively. |
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| Author: | Fabs [ Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
Grosjean did 69 laps on SS, that shouldn't be possible. |
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| Author: | kals [ Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
Preferably I'd go with what happened at Montreal in 1997 over 2017. Some people made their tyres work, some had blisters and made multiple pit stops. It made for a fascinating race. Yes it was 20 years ago and yes it was during the Goodyear / Bridgestone tyre war. But still, it was great and something I'd like to see happen again. |
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| Author: | webbsy [ Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
The race before in Spain was perhaps the first real indicator to me at least at just how good Bridgestone were. Panis in the Ligier finished second but could very nearly have won the race (Eddie Irvine being Eddie Irvine whilst being lapped didn't help either) as Villeneuve in his Goodyears chewed through his tyres while the Bridgestone's held up nicely. The 1997-1998 tyre war was pretty great. |
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| Author: | Beezle [ Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
mclaren2008 wrote: but people don't want jelly tyres, they want the drivers to be able to push all race If all the drivers can push all race on all kinda of tires, whats the point in having different tires? Actually, I think we should get rid of corners. Makes them unnecessarily slow. All GPs should be held in Talladega. |
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| Author: | siggy [ Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
Give the teams one set of tires for a grand prix weekend and let Pirelli make them last at least two full GP distances. Let the four wheel drifting begin. |
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| Author: | Fabs [ Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
gkmotorsport wrote: Fabs wrote: Advice about how the tyres should operate is one thing, but completely deciding the design of them is another. I'm sure Ross Brawn and his team will have a look at this. I've emboldened part of your post which Ross Brawn should be very familiar with Looks like Pirelli is listening: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... n-gp-tyres |
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| Author: | iks [ Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
siggy wrote: Give the teams one set of tires for a grand prix weekend and let Pirelli make them last at least two full GP distances. Let the four wheel drifting begin. And then the FIA can impose grid penalties for replacing tires before the weekend is over. 
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| Author: | Omega [ Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2017 |
and then you get drivers doing Eau Rouge at 100 km/h, because the tires need to last till Monza with long corners as Parabolica |
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