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The only bad thing about Kimi continuing for yet another year is that the italian and brittish so called f1 media experts can once again recycle their "should retire"-articles and "earn" their salary by that. Ten years of that shit already.

I hope Kimi continues for 2019 as well. This season he's once again scored fastest laps, a pole position and has the speed to win. He can still win races if the team lets him or doesn't screw his strategy. One of the fastest drivers in the grid and has a great amount of experience that helps team to go from 5th to 1st in constructors championship just in a bit over two years. That's something that no Santander pay driver money can ever buy.

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to me it feels like they couldn't get Verstappen and are too chicken to put LeClerc or Giovinazzi in the car.


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Vettel wants Kimi as his team mate, Kimi isn't doing a too bad job. That's it really. Ferrari will put LeClerc and Giovanazzi in at Sauber in 2018 to gain experience and maturity. Whether they'll be ready for a Ferrari seat in 2019 or not, we'll see. If they're not, then Kimi is there already and Verstappen is a probable option (if Red Bull keeps dropping the ball and he doesn't renew his contract).

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[tweet]https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/status/899614234639781889[/tweet]

Why would Williams feel the need to celebrate a (non-contracted) driver's 25th birthday? ¬_¬


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The only bad thing about Kimi continuing for yet another year is that the italian and brittish so called f1 media experts can once again recycle their "should retire"-articles and "earn" their salary by that. Ten years of that shit already.

I hope Kimi continues for 2019 as well. This season he's once again scored fastest laps, a pole position and has the speed to win. He can still win races if the team lets him or doesn't screw his strategy. One of the fastest drivers in the grid and has a great amount of experience that helps team to go from 5th to 1st in constructors championship just in a bit over two years. That's something that no Santander pay driver money can ever buy.


The only reason those article have any merit is the problem that there are very few seats available and a lot of talent doesn't get to go to F1. Hell, even Massa still races on for probably another year and another. It's a bigger problem in F1 then lack of overtaking. F1 need more teams, even if it's the likes of Forti or Pacific. But that's simply not possible anymore with the huge huge spending at the front.

I hope in the near future, Ferrari says enough is enough. That it doesn't want to spend that kind of money for the image it already has and doesn't improve with just being in F1. Mercedes will be gone by 2020 unless F1 goes electric. F1 is doomed.


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[tweet]https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/status/899614234639781889[/tweet]

Why would Williams feel the need to celebrate a (non-contracted) driver's 25th birthday? ¬_¬


Good spot. I wonder how much his birthday present is worth...


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NVirkkula wrote:
The only bad thing about Kimi continuing for yet another year is that the italian and brittish so called f1 media experts can once again recycle their "should retire"-articles and "earn" their salary by that. Ten years of that shit already.


Ha, Autosport had that article up today, and it has been sharing the front page with the news of his re-signing :slaphead:


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gkmotorsport wrote:
NVirkkula wrote:
The only bad thing about Kimi continuing for yet another year is that the italian and brittish so called f1 media experts can once again recycle their "should retire"-articles and "earn" their salary by that. Ten years of that shit already.


Ha, Autosport had that article up today, and it has been sharing the front page with the news of his re-signing :slaphead:


That article was posted two or three days ago. I read it and it talked about Kimi being an underachiever against his expectations, how a couple of poor McLarens cost him the chance of world titles and how his attitude and work ethic in general over his career hasn't won him many friends across F1, WRC and Nascar paddocks. The article received some very nasty criticism on Autosport's Facebook page.

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TBF Kimi has done it all in F1, including retire, so I expect he'll be racing until the end of time since he cannot be stopped! :p

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When you are in a top team, 3 or maybe 4 good races a year and the rest being just mediocre doesn't cut it. Especially when you are an ex world champion, especially when you are at the end of a career, especially when it has been on going for 4 years in a row. His number 2 status isn't quite as explicit as Rubens's was, but it is pretty damn close.

I really liked Kimi back in the day, and as Kals said McLaren let him down on a possible extra world championship. But that was over a decade ago and for whatever reason he has had 4 seasons where he is just a shadow of that driver a decade ago and taking up space.

I loved Mark Webber, but his last 2 years were just an absolute waste and wasn't deserving of his seat. Kimi is the same.


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NVirkkula wrote:
The only bad thing about Kimi continuing for yet another year is that the italian and brittish so called f1 media experts can once again recycle their "should retire"-articles and "earn" their salary by that. Ten years of that shit already.

I hope Kimi continues for 2019 as well. This season he's once again scored fastest laps, a pole position and has the speed to win. He can still win races if the team lets him or doesn't screw his strategy. One of the fastest drivers in the grid and has a great amount of experience that helps team to go from 5th to 1st in constructors championship just in a bit over two years. That's something that no Santander pay driver money can ever buy.


The only reason those article have any merit is the problem that there are very few seats available and a lot of talent doesn't get to go to F1. Hell, even Massa still races on for probably another year and another. It's a bigger problem in F1 then lack of overtaking. F1 need more teams, even if it's the likes of Forti or Pacific. But that's simply not possible anymore with the huge huge spending at the front.

I hope in the near future, Ferrari says enough is enough. That it doesn't want to spend that kind of money for the image it already has and doesn't improve with just being in F1. Mercedes will be gone by 2020 unless F1 goes electric. F1 is doomed.



Any of the "Kimi should retire" articles have no credit. They're just written opinions with conclusion to support the writers' own causes, like getting their favorite driver for the seat, belittleing Kimi infavor their favorite driver, praising the team he's working with and simply to just get clicks and sell more of their stories to the idiots who believe them. They're just carefully phrased opinions with hidden agendas. Also, as Kimi is a living Ferrari legend (a world champion, the Scuderia's latest, to be more precise), he's going to get honorable farewells. And in ten years of time, we will all be remembering how great he was.

F1 has a snowball's chance in hell to go electric by 2020, just look at where's Formula E is. Mercedes is either playing a game with these secret pulling away plans or they're just trash talk by the so called columnists/experts.


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When you are in a top team, 3 or maybe 4 good races a year and the rest being just mediocre doesn't cut it. Especially when you are an ex world champion, especially when you are at the end of a career, especially when it has been on going for 4 years in a row. His number 2 status isn't quite as explicit as Rubens's was, but it is pretty damn close.

I really liked Kimi back in the day, and as Kals said McLaren let him down on a possible extra world championship. But that was over a decade ago and for whatever reason he has had 4 seasons where he is just a shadow of that driver a decade ago and taking up space.

I loved Mark Webber, but his last 2 years were just an absolute waste and wasn't deserving of his seat. Kimi is the same.


It's not Kimi's fault that his results vary. Look how many times the strategy goes horribly wrong or some other driver punctures his tire or forces him off the track. Or there's a mechanical issue.

Kimi should have won 2003 and 2005 titles had McLaren-Mercedes had even one less technical issue during those seasons. 2006 is also questionable as Renault used illeagal mass damper suspension for most of the season. 2008 was an extremely close year and it was Kimi who had the biggest amount of issues with strategies and reliability, once again.

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kals wrote:
gkmotorsport wrote:
NVirkkula wrote:
The only bad thing about Kimi continuing for yet another year is that the italian and brittish so called f1 media experts can once again recycle their "should retire"-articles and "earn" their salary by that. Ten years of that shit already.


Ha, Autosport had that article up today, and it has been sharing the front page with the news of his re-signing :slaphead:


That article was posted two or three days ago. I read it and it talked about Kimi being an underachiever against his expectations, how a couple of poor McLarens cost him the chance of world titles and how his attitude and work ethic in general over his career hasn't won him many friends across F1, WRC and Nascar paddocks. The article received some very nasty criticism on Autosport's Facebook page.


I think it was a bit sharply-written, but it wasn't exactly full of invalid points. I think it's fair to say Kimi hasn't had the career he could have had, and he isn't the driver he was before his first retirement.

In fact, he and Alonso seem to have had similar 'bad luck and bad choices' careers, but look at the difference.


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NVirkkula wrote:
Any of the "Kimi should retire" articles have no credit. They're just written opinions with conclusion to support the writers' own causes, like getting their favorite driver for the seat, belittleing Kimi infavor their favorite driver, praising the team he's working with and simply to just get clicks and sell more of their stories to the idiots who believe them. They're just carefully phrased opinions with hidden agendas. Also, as Kimi is a living Ferrari legend (a world champion, the Scuderia's latest, to be more precise), he's going to get honorable farewells. And in ten years of time, we will all be remembering how great he was.


They're opinion pieces. That's how they work.

The problem is, we can remember now how great Kimi was ten years ago...


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The only bad thing about Kimi continuing for yet another year is that the italian and brittish so called f1 media experts can once again recycle their "should retire"-articles and "earn" their salary by that. Ten years of that shit already.

I hope Kimi continues for 2019 as well. This season he's once again scored fastest laps, a pole position and has the speed to win. He can still win races if the team lets him or doesn't screw his strategy. One of the fastest drivers in the grid and has a great amount of experience that helps team to go from 5th to 1st in constructors championship just in a bit over two years. That's something that no Santander pay driver money can ever buy.


The only reason those article have any merit is the problem that there are very few seats available and a lot of talent doesn't get to go to F1. Hell, even Massa still races on for probably another year and another. It's a bigger problem in F1 then lack of overtaking. F1 need more teams, even if it's the likes of Forti or Pacific. But that's simply not possible anymore with the huge huge spending at the front.

I hope in the near future, Ferrari says enough is enough. That it doesn't want to spend that kind of money for the image it already has and doesn't improve with just being in F1. Mercedes will be gone by 2020 unless F1 goes electric. F1 is doomed.



Any of the "Kimi should retire" articles have no credit. They're just written opinions with conclusion to support the writers' own causes, like getting their favorite driver for the seat, belittleing Kimi infavor their favorite driver, praising the team he's working with and simply to just get clicks and sell more of their stories to the idiots who believe them. They're just carefully phrased opinions with hidden agendas. Also, as Kimi is a living Ferrari legend (a world champion, the Scuderia's latest, to be more precise), he's going to get honorable farewells. And in ten years of time, we will all be remembering how great he was.

F1 has a snowball's chance in hell to go electric by 2020, just look at where's Formula E is. Mercedes is either playing a game with these secret pulling away plans or they're just trash talk by the so called columnists/experts.


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When you are in a top team, 3 or maybe 4 good races a year and the rest being just mediocre doesn't cut it. Especially when you are an ex world champion, especially when you are at the end of a career, especially when it has been on going for 4 years in a row. His number 2 status isn't quite as explicit as Rubens's was, but it is pretty damn close.

I really liked Kimi back in the day, and as Kals said McLaren let him down on a possible extra world championship. But that was over a decade ago and for whatever reason he has had 4 seasons where he is just a shadow of that driver a decade ago and taking up space.

I loved Mark Webber, but his last 2 years were just an absolute waste and wasn't deserving of his seat. Kimi is the same.


It's not Kimi's fault that his results vary. Look how many times the strategy goes horribly wrong or some other driver punctures his tire or forces him off the track. Or there's a mechanical issue.

Kimi should have won 2003 and 2005 titles had McLaren-Mercedes had even one less technical issue during those seasons. 2006 is also questionable as Renault used illeagal mass damper suspension for most of the season. 2008 was an extremely close year and it was Kimi who had the biggest amount of issues with strategies and reliability, once again.


I understand your argument. But it doesn't hold water when its the same story 4 years in a row. A season or half a season? Yeah sure. Not 4 years.


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NVirkkula wrote:
Any of the "Kimi should retire" articles have no credit. They're just written opinions with conclusion to support the writers' own causes, like getting their favorite driver for the seat, belittleing Kimi infavor their favorite driver, praising the team he's working with and simply to just get clicks and sell more of their stories to the idiots who believe them. They're just carefully phrased opinions with hidden agendas. Also, as Kimi is a living Ferrari legend (a world champion, the Scuderia's latest, to be more precise), he's going to get honorable farewells. And in ten years of time, we will all be remembering how great he was.


Or you are also from Finland and your opinion is biased and therefore has no credit. Kimi should have retired after 2016.


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It's not Kimi's fault that his results vary. Look how many times the strategy goes horribly wrong or some other driver punctures his tire or forces him off the track. Or there's a mechanical issue.

Kimi should have won 2003 and 2005 titles had McLaren-Mercedes had even one less technical issue during those seasons. 2006 is also questionable as Renault used illeagal mass damper suspension for most of the season. 2008 was an extremely close year and it was Kimi who had the biggest amount of issues with strategies and reliability, once again.

2003: maybe
2005: his biggest chance in a McLaren. It is true, he would have deserved the titel but unreliability took away his chances.
2006: the year when McLaren couldn't win a single race? How exactly could he have a shot at the title? Take away the "illegal" Renault and you'd still have Schumacher in front.
2008: he had a chance but some others were better. You could also say that he won it in 2007 because of good luck, a simple team order at McLaren and he wouldn't have made it.

Since 2008: not even close to a realistic chance.

it is like webbsy says. He's past his peak, he doesn't bring in the results, it's time to give the seat to someone else.


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Kimi is nearly half the points of Seb and yet he's considered to be having a good season. He is the perennial underachiever at Ferrari. He is a huge underachiever in F1. For all the talent, opportunity and flamboyance we saw when he joined in 2001, his ROI is wholly unimpressive.

Can you imagine what would have been had Di Montezemolo not forced Schumi into retirement in 2006 so that Kimi could take his place? The course of history would have looked very different. Kimi and Fernando at McLaren versus Michael in Ferrari in 2007. Where would Lewis have been placed, or would he have joined F1 a few years later? How many more seasons would Schumi have continued on? He would have been competitive in 2007 and 2008 and it's likely he'd have stayed in through 2009 and 2010. And then you can speculate whether Fernando would have joined Ferrari in 2010. All this because Luca thought Kimi was the future. And how wrong he was.

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Kimi there is just like Massa during Alonso years at Ferrari. They just kept there because they worked the way Ferrari wants, no opposing and doing everything possible to help achieve the championship (like Hockenheim 2010, gearbox change in Austin 2012, Monaco this year and so)

Is Ferrari option to have someone who can help rather being fast but putting everything into jeopardy, too bad is not working for championship

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Does Ferrari actually focus on the driver's title more than constructors or is it just an impression we get?

For Mercedes it seems that they put the team above all, and target the constructors' title first, with the driver's title being up to the drivers.


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well they get a shitload of money just to race, I guess they don't bother lose everytime to Mercedes :p

plus, the best display for them is showing Vettel singing the italian anthem on the top of the podium, just like Schumacher did

maybe they must change their minds if they seek to win constructors championship again

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"kimi, are you happy to be a number 2 driver, racing solely to support Vettel"

"sure whatever man, IDC, I suppose I should say Bwoah or talk about ice creams or fall off a boat or something, but yeah I'll do it"

"Cool, here's another sack of cash with a dollar sign written on in"

That's about all the thought that goes into it. No-one else is going to come into that seat to run number 2 to Vettel and this way they can train a junior up in a sauber/haas for a couple of years until he's ready to replace him.

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